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Whitejock said:
Jesus wept!

Just as well his Wee Free sect doesn't exist, eh?

If it did, Chesh would have to define ALL Christians as being hateful. <doh>

P.S. Chesh, don't follow the link. It has facts in it. Can't have you having a meltdown again.
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It's 1 minister from the free Presbytarian church,there are thousands and thousands of them churches with probably millions of followers,all over the world you fool.<laugh>:emoticon-0102-bigsm just a normal church.
Not from that church, not from that Island and in fact nothing to do with the Artical.  so correct the sect only exists in your head. <laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh>
 
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Whitejock said:
Just as well his Wee Free sect doesn't exist, eh?
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There is 3 of them churches in Leeds, in fact every city in the UK seems to have them, you have uncovered a worldwide plan for global domination, go to the police now and tell them all about it before it's too late. Or just admit you made up a bullshit post and got caught out <laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh>
 
All this talk of Wee Free, does anyone know of the Plymouth Brethren sect? They are pretty extreme in their ways. I believe they are particularly strong around Aberdeen. I used to (had to) attend their Sunday School when i lived in the west country. Their mantra is God Is Love, and their places of worship are octagonal. They don't take kindly to any opposition to their beliefs and ostracise anyone who doesn't toe the line, even to members of their own families. Funny that they are called Plymouth Brethren and are so active in Scotland.
 
brisbane-lion said:
All this talk of Wee Free, does anyone know of the Plymouth Brethren sect? They are pretty extreme in their ways. I believe they are particularly strong around Aberdeen. I used to (had to) attend their Sunday School when i lived in the west country. Their mantra is God Is Love, and their places of worship are octagonal. They don't take kindly to any opposition to their beliefs and ostracise anyone who doesn't toe the line, even to members of their own families. Funny that they are called Plymouth Brethren and are so active in Scotland.
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Sounds like the same lot who sailed on the Mayflower and settled parts of America.They were from Plymouth.America has a few(the Amish) are another, they don't go for modern technology.
Internet says they originated in Dublin, and spread to parts of North America from Plymouth.
 
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lifecheshirewhite said:
Sounds like the same lot who sailed on the Mayflower and settled parts of America.They were from Plymouth.America has a few(the Amish) are another, they don't go for modern technology.
Internet says they originated in Dublin, and spread to parts of North America from Plymouth.
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From the internet, there appears to be a couple of hundred years between the foundation of the Plymouth Brethren and the Mayflower
 
lifecheshirewhite said:
Sounds like the same lot who sailed on the Mayflower and settled parts of America.They were from Plymouth.America has a few(the Amish) are another, they don't go for modern technology.
Internet says they originated in Dublin, and spread to parts of North America from Plymouth.
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Not quite right, Chesh. The 'Pilgrim Fathers' actually started their journey from Cambridge, picked up the Mayflower in the Thames and sailed off. Their last port of call was in Plymouth from whence they set off for the 'new world', landing in the Americas and settling there. I have a sneaking admiration for the Amish, they do not embrace modern technology but prefer the old ways. Pity some other cultures do not do the same.
 
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I have just been reading the BBC news page and about Trump's visit to the UK. I think you guys may be right about the BBC bias. I imagine there must be demonstrations objecting to Trump's presence in the country but none seem to be reported by the Beeb. What's the story?
 
brisbane-lion said:
Not quite right, Chesh. The 'Pilgrim Fathers' actually started their journey from Cambridge, picked up the Mayflower in the Thames and sailed off. Their last port of call was in Plymouth from whence they set off for the 'new world', landing in the Americas and settling there. I have a sneaking admiration for the Amish, they do not embrace modern technology but prefer the old ways. Pity some other cultures do not do the same.
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Not sure the info you got is correct Brissy, but there's several versions which tie in with each other.

1.......Model of a typical merchantman of the period, showing the cramped conditions that had to be endured.
The Speedwell was originally named Swiftsure. It was built in 1577 at sixty tons, and was part of the English fleet that defeated the Spanish Armada. It departed Delfshaven in July 1620 with the Leiden colonists, after a canal ride from Leyden of about seven hours.[30] It reached Southampton, Hampshire and met with the Mayflower and the additional colonists hired by the investors. With final arrangements made, the two vessels set out on August 5 (Old Style)/August 15 (New Style).[29]

Soon thereafter, the Speedwell crew reported that their ship was taking in water, so both were diverted to Dartmouth, Devon. There it was inspected for leaks and sealed, but a second attempt to depart also failed, bringing them only as far as Plymouth, Devon. It was decided that Speedwell was untrustworthy, and it was sold; the ship's master and some of the crew transferred to the Mayflower for the trip. William Bradford observed that the Speedwellseemed "overmasted", thus putting a strain on the hull; and he attributed her leaking to crew members who had deliberately caused it, allowing them to abandon their year-long commitments. Passenger Robert Cushman wrote that the leaking was caused by a loose board.[31]

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Speedwell and Mayflower

Mayflower arrived in Provincetown Harbor on November 11, 1620 (satellite photo, 1997)
Approximately 65 passengers embarked on the Mayflower in the middle of July 1620 at either Blackwall or Wapping on the River Thames[15]. The ship then proceeded down the Thames into the English Channel and then on to the south coast of England to anchor at Southampton Water. She waited there for a rendezvous on July 22 with the Speedwell, which was coming from Holland with English separatist Puritans, members of the Leiden congregation who had been living in Holland to escape religious persecution in England.

Both ships set sail for America around August 5, but the Speedwell sprang a leak shortly after, and the two ships were brought into Dartmouth for repairs. They made a new start after the repairs, and they were more than 200 miles (320 km) beyond Land's End at the southwestern tip of England when Speedwellsprang another leak. It was now early September, and they had no choice but to abandon the Speedwelland make a determination on her passengers. This was a dire event, as the ship had wasted vital funds and was considered very important to the future success of their settlement in America. Both ships returned to Plymouth, where some of the Speedwell passengers joined the Mayflower and others returned to Holland. The Mayflower then continued on her voyage to America, and the Speedwell was sold soon afterwards.[citation needed]
 
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