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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

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    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
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charming bunch those lefties

Margaret Hodge‏Verified account@margarethodge 6h6 hours ago
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Recent emails from the Hard Left say I’m paid by Israel for my silence on war crimes & allegiance,
I work for Jewish satanic masters to protect ruling class,
I’m un-British for supporting Jewish party members,
I should slit my wrists
& I should have been killed instead of Jo Cox.
 
kiwiqpr said:
didnt realise the uk was awash with money
if yours was up for renewal at the same time is yours free
or will it get more expensive to cover the leeds cost

Gove to offer three million EU nationals free British passports
Tamara Cohen, political correspondent
23 hrs ago

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© Imagebridge Michael Gove is offering to give three million EU nationals British citizenship - free of charge The environment secretary, who threw his hat into the ring for the Tory leadership at the weekend, will make the offer to EU nationals who were living in the UK at the time of the June 2016 referendum.
The £1,330 naturalisation fee would be waived as a gesture of goodwill, Michael Gove's aides confirmed to Sky News.
There are understood to be three million EU citizens in the UK who would be eligible, once they have been resident for five years.

The proposal - to be formally unveiled next week - is a victory for Conservative MP Alberto Costa who has been campaigning for the rights of EU citizens post-Brexit for many months.
The Home Office's settled status scheme, under which EU citizens must prove they have lived in the UK for five years or they stand to lose their rights after Brexit, would also be changed to a registration scheme, under Mr Gove's plans.

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Mr Costa, who is supporting him for the leadership, told Sky News: "What Michael is offering is an incentive to EU nationals who register to get British citizenship at no cost.
"They would, as British citIzens, be able to vote in general elections, so it would swell the franchise by up to three million people at the next general election in 2022.
"It's the Conservative Party which initiated this whole debacle, of EU citizens being deprived of their rights. We should sort it out. In a sense, it is apologising and saying we welcome you, we want you to join the British family."

Naturalisation fees have risen dramatically in recent years, prompting criticism that they are becoming a major barrier to application.
Mr Costa expressed deep concerns earlier this year that the settled status scheme could deprive people who have lived in the UK for decades of their rights if they are unaware they need to apply.
He approached the Home Secretary Sajid Javid about his citizenship proposals, but said Mr Javid had notified him two weeks ago that he would not take it up.
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© Sky News Screen Grab Alberto Costa welcomes Mr Gove's move "Theresa May was never prepared to do this, she saw EU citizens as bargaining chips which has created a toxic atmosphere", Mr Costa said.
"And the home secretary is not prepared to do it. Michael Gove, who led the Vote Leave campaign, takes a different approach.
"This is generous, large-hearted, fee free offer. It's the morally right thing to do and will detoxify an unpleasant situation for the Conservative Party."
Sources in Mr Gove's team say the offer is about healing the divisions caused by the referendum.

A source close to him said: "Michael Gove is ready to unite the country. Guaranteeing the rights of EU nationals here in the UK through a declaratory scheme, and making a generous offer of citizenship to those lawfully here at the time of the referendum, is a first step in that direction.
"This is simply the right thing to do - honouring the promise of Vote Leave that EU nationals studying, working and living in the UK were welcome to stay. Michael Gove led that campaign and now he's ready to deliver Brexit."

British expats living in Europe have told Sky News said they feel they are in limbo, as they expect their governments to reciprocate the British approach.
Mr Costa said the scheme should lead to British residents in European countries being offered citizenship.
Mr Gove's candidacy was announced this weekend and electrifies a race which includes former foreign secretary Boris Johnson - whose campaign he torpedoed in 2016. He argued that he has a proven track record running government departments.
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I think that you will find that this refers only to the administrative costs of applying for the certificate of naturalization, which are too high in the UK. anyway. This does not cover the issuing of passports which is extra. It also does not cover the costs of language tests, certified translations of documents from the homeland etc. etc. There is no mention of anybody being given nationality without having previously satisfied all of the other conditions ie. length of residence, proof of income, payment into National Insurance etc. etc. The costs of the administration of this in the UK. are totally unrealistic - 1,300 pounds for this alone. When I took German nationality the admin costs here were € 255.
 
colognehornet said:
I think that you will find that this refers only to the administrative costs of applying for the certificate of naturalization, which are too high in the UK. anyway. This does not cover the issuing of passports which is extra. It also does not cover the costs of language tests, certified translations of documents from the homeland etc. etc. There is no mention of anybody being given nationality without having previously satisfied all of the other conditions ie. length of residence, proof of income, payment into National Insurance etc. etc. The costs of the administration of this in the UK. are totally unrealistic - 1,300 pounds for this alone. When I took German nationality the admin costs here were € 255.
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billions of pounds potential cost then
 
kiwiqpr said:
billions of pounds potential cost then
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No, not billions - that is a massive exaggeration because the take up of naturalization would not involve the whole 3 million - only those who qualify under all of the conditions. The 'take up' of naturalization of Britons in other EU. countries has been very small - about 50,000 out of 1.3 million. These admin costs were unjustifiably high anyway.
 
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rangercol said:
Now you see, that is complete tosh and a lie being put out there by panicked remainers.
You don't take into account any Tory or Labour votes. You don't take into account any votes for other brexit parties.
Millions of Labour voters voted leave and most Tory voters are leave supporters.
Add it all up and, according to electoral experts, nothing has changed. This is what I said earlier.
Remainers claiming victory or even more hilarious, that the Brexit party had a poor result stinks of desperation.
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Not claiming a victory at all and I think the Brexit party did brilliantly I agree nothing has changed much apart from a no deal cannot happen

It’s blocked imo and it will be interesting to see how the next phase goes

I am hoping the Cons get what they deserve and split up

If people still think after all of this that a no deal is the best way to go then I see that as complete foolishness
 
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No, not billions - that is a massive exaggeration because the take up of naturalization would not involve the whole 3 million - only those who qualify under all of the conditions. The 'take up' of naturalization of Britons in other EU. countries has been very small - about 50,000 out of 1.3 million. These admin costs were unjustifiably high anyway.
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Thank god for that
Using your numbers it's only a 65 million pound giveaway then

65 million pounds

What a great little bribe to be in a position to give away

Like I said
The UK must be awash with cash
 
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Just listening to the wireless and two new Tory party leadership candidates pop up! One of whom I’d barely heard of, and the second I had definitely never heard of, and have forgotten his name already. Who knew they had such depth of talent! At least a dozen think they are good enough to be your prime minister now. Presumably some of them won’t get enough MP nominations to even enter the competition proper.

The front runner, baby rhino Johnson, has apparently been advised not to talk to anyone, especially those in the media, about anything, and communicate solely through his Telegraph column. For which he is paid several hundred thousand pounds a year. What a brilliant situation to be in, getting paid more than your potential salary to lobby ahead of your job interview!

Only one way to sort this. Feats of strength.
 
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