Off Topic Politics Thread

[- Doing The Lambert Walk]

Spare me the stories about how people feel sorry for her, how she had the impossible job and she tried her best.

Have people been asleep during her Premiership and time in the Home Office?

As both Home Secretary and Prime Minister she was callous, heartless and more recently, proven beyond doubt to be utterly inept.

She plunged many of the most vulnerable people in our society into untold misery time and time again.

Theresa May applied for this job and she made a hash up of it.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

 

[Schrodinger's Cat]

Spare me the stories about how people feel sorry for her, how she had the impossible job and she tried her best.

Have people been asleep during her Premiership and time in the Home Office?

As both Home Secretary and Prime Minister she was callous, heartless and more recently, proven beyond doubt to be utterly inept.

She plunged many of the most vulnerable people in our society into untold misery time and time again.

Theresa May applied for this job and she made a hash up of it.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

^ this, exactly this

 

[shoot_spiderman]

If I remember correctly local councils were expressly forbidden to us the sales income to build more houses by central government. Criminal. Argie war could and should have been avoided had early warnings been heeded. Thatcher legacy pah!

The money went to the Treasury

1.5million social homes sold under Thatcher and not replaced
Many of these have gone on to landlords

Became such a vote winner that Labour removed their vehement opposition to it to try and get elected
That's democracy!

 

[ChilcoSaint]

Spare me the stories about how people feel sorry for her, how she had the impossible job and she tried her best.

Have people been asleep during her Premiership and time in the Home Office?

As both Home Secretary and Prime Minister she was callous, heartless and more recently, proven beyond doubt to be utterly inept.

She plunged many of the most vulnerable people in our society into untold misery time and time again.

Theresa May applied for this job and she made a hash up of it.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

 

[Archers Road]

The money went to the Treasury

1.5million social homes sold under Thatcher and not replaced
Many of these have gone on to landlords

Became such a vote winner that Labour removed their vehement opposition to it to try and get elected
That's democracy!

Actually the idea of allowing people to buy their council homes was first mooted by Labour. It was discussed at conference, and narrowly rejected during Callaghan’s period in government. Obviously had Labour implemented the policy, receipts would have been used to build replacement council homes.

 

[fatletiss]

When in the 70s was the winter of discontent?

 

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[TheSecondStain]

When in the 70s was the winter of discontent?

1978
Tbh, the 1970's was proof that UK politicians seemed to be clueless as to how to run a country. In the early 1970's we had the 3-day week nonsense, with power cuts everywhere, rationed fuels, foods relatively scarce in the shops. Our time in the EU has been relatively benign since then.

 

[benditlikeabanana]

Over-priced was another!! And perhaps his business structure was not so good.

I think that Italian restaurants are suffering from the vast range of cook in sauces that are available, OK restaurants are my business and I may be a bit biased, but I see pasta as quick dish that when your in a rush you can throw together quickly with ingredients that you have in the cupboard and fridge without too much fuss and the kids will eat it, even frozen pizzas can be on par with an average restaurant pizza. Also his venues were huge, I was always told a full 30 cover restaurant is better than a half full 60 cover restaurant

 

[Archers Road]

When in the 70s was the winter of discontent?

Certainly not 1976.

It was 78/79 actually, but in truth it was just a Sun headline taken from Shakespeare (The Sun always had good headline writers).

 

[ChilcoSaint]

Certainly not 1976.

It was 78/79 actually, but in truth it was just a Sun headline taken from Shakespeare (The Sun always had good headline writers).

A corruption of Shakespeare, as is appropriate for that despicable rag.

The opening lines of Richard III are of course:

Now is the winter of our discontent
Made glorious summer by this sun of York;
And all the clouds that lour'd upon our house
In the deep bosom of the ocean buried.
Now are our brows bound with victorious wreaths;
Our bruised arms hung up for monuments;
Our stern alarums changed to merry meetings,
Our dreadful marches to delightful measures.

 

[StJabbo]

A corruption of Shakespeare, as is appropriate for that despicable rag.

The opening lines of Richard III are of course:

Now is the winter of our discontent
Made glorious summer by this sun of York;
And all the clouds that lour'd upon our house
In the deep bosom of the ocean buried.
Now are our brows bound with victorious wreaths;
Our bruised arms hung up for monuments;
Our stern alarums changed to merry meetings,
Our dreadful marches to delightful measures.

Milk, Shakespeare Tudor propagandist.

 

[shoot_spiderman]

Actually the idea of allowing people to buy their council homes was first mooted by Labour. It was discussed at conference, and narrowly rejected during Callaghan’s period in government. Obviously had Labour implemented the policy, receipts would have been used to build replacement council homes.

Didn't realise that, however, as you say, its what you do with the money that matters as well
The key is you need a policy that provides suitable homes for all and the fact that more people own homes isn't an issue if you have enough homes for those who don't

There is I believe an idealogical issue here as well as Thatcher wanted to create more Tory voters by making people feel more 'middle-class' so Labour would have had to square property ownership with a continued belief in a benevolent 'society' rather than the selfish one she was instrumental in creating

 

[shoot_spiderman]

Certainly not 1976.
It was 78/79 actually, but in truth it was just a Sun headline taken from Shakespeare (The Sun always had good headline writers).

and a classic riposte of the right-wing bad old 70s propaganda
Even the worst definition would be that Unions representing millions of workers abusing what power they had as opposed to the current decade of relatively few billionairres and oligarchs abusing their immense power

 

[ImpSaint]

Uum!! I posed a question about what is considered to be Margaret Thatcher´s achievements. The only thing I would disagree with is why she is remembered for the Falklands so much. It was a six-weeks war, yet the impact on the British psyche seems to have left a legacy far longer lasting than her privatisation programmes, when it should be the other way round. And what about her measures to enable people to buy their own homes, to become self-employed, to get modern investment into the car industry, Surely, these outweigh her Falklands achievements?

I also think the concept of a National Curriculum was a plus. It beggars belief why anyone would want to remember her Falklands success.

I could now go on to the negatives of her time as a PM

No need. The same graph of "negative things" is actually almost a mirror image of the positive things. So it is like now, the biggest positives for some are the biggest negatives for others.

 

[ImpSaint]

So he was a worse PM than all the other's for creating such a mess with his.

It is as simple as winning a war. Blair/Bush/those that followed did not win the war in Iraq/Afghanistan. It still continues to an extent. A bit like Vietnam.

 

[ImpSaint]

As to her successor! Penny Mordaunt or someone who is not so tainted by the debacle of Brexit. If Johnson elected and proves as good a PM as he was a Foreign Secretary, then surely Corbyn is detined for Number 10 after the next election? Unless he is replaced by someone with more charisma.

IF Corbyn can not lose too many he is already in. The Tories have been damaged too much and the BP could take 40-50 seats at this point without even having a manifesto.

 

[ImpSaint]

I think that Italian restaurants are suffering from the vast range of cook in sauces that are available, OK restaurants are my business and I may be a bit biased, but I see pasta as quick dish that when your in a rush you can throw together quickly with ingredients that you have in the cupboard and fridge without too much fuss and the kids will eat it, even frozen pizzas can be on par with an average restaurant pizza. Also his venues were huge, I was always told a full 30 cover restaurant is better than a half full 60 cover restaurant

I'm not so sure that "Italian food" has much to do with it. Lots of Italian restaurants are doing well. There are however a lot of bad (and high profile) bad reviews of Jamie Olivers restaurants.

If we went the "cook in sauce" root then Indians would be struggling, Chineses would be struggling. Virtually all restaurants would be struggling.

The reality is that for an expensive restaurant people were not prepared to pay for the product.

 

[tomw24]

Boris is going to be the next PM isn't he?

 

[VocalMinority]

It is as simple as winning a war. Blair/Bush/those that followed did not win the war in Iraq/Afghanistan. It still continues to an extent. A bit like Vietnam.

Um, yes the did. Emphatically. I think you are confusing the war in Iraq with the war on terror.