Transfer Rumours Window - Summer 2019

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haslam said:
I mostly don't have a major issue with our sales it's just that we generally haven't replaced them. Carroll £35m replaced with... Ba 6 months later for nothing. Cabaye £25m replaced with... Colback for nothing. Mitrovic £25m replaced with Rondon loan, etc, etc. It's a good business model (until it gets us relegated) but it's not fun as a fan and makes you not want to sell any players as they aren't being replaced.
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To be fair we also signed Cisse so you were getting Ba and Cisse for Carroll. Plus Carroll paid for a fair few others like Cabaye, I think we brought in 8 that season after. In terms of Cabaye his replacement was actually Siem De Jong. Similar kind of stature, sadly didn't work out. Cabella was signed too with that money. Again didn't work out.

I think Mitrovic was the first one where you looked and thought, what the **** is going on here. However Rafa still has some of that money getting added to this years budget (was it 11m?). It was a good deal as it turns out because Rondon was good and more use to Rafa, who had no place for Mitro.

We haven't been that bad replacing people in my opinion. Who we replaced them with would be an altogether different assessment though.
 
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Warm Pouch said:
Personally I think he's better than Rice already, who I still think might end up a centre half. If you offered me both now I'd probably go for Longstaff. I realise 90% of others would go for Rice but I honestly think as a midfielder, Longstaff has much more to his game than Rice. However Longstaff's profile is not that high outside of Newcastle. It was building up until he got injured in that game against West Ham. That seemed to dampen the fire as it was taking hold.

Rice would be a great foil for Longstaff - we need to target a top class holding midfielder to release him and get the best from him.
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Warm Pouch said:
To be fair we also signed Cisse so you were getting Ba and Cisse for Carroll. Plus Carroll paid for a fair few others like Cabaye, I think we brought in 8 that season after. In terms of Cabaye his replacement was actually Siem De Jong. Similar kind of stature, sadly didn't work out. Cabella was signed too with that money. Again didn't work out.

I think Mitrovic was the first one where you looked and thought, what the **** is going on here. However Rafa still has some of that money getting added to this years budget (was it 11m?). It was a good deal as it turns out because Rondon was good and more use to Rafa, who had no place for Mitro.

We haven't been that bad replacing people in my opinion. Who we replaced them with would be an altogether different assessment though.
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And we're back to that steaming pile of horse-**** Joselu.
 
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Warm Pouch said:
To be fair we also signed Cisse so you were getting Ba and Cisse for Carroll. Plus Carroll paid for a fair few others like Cabaye, I think we brought in 8 that season after. In terms of Cabaye his replacement was actually Siem De Jong. Similar kind of stature, sadly didn't work out. Cabella was signed too with that money. Again didn't work out.

I think Mitrovic was the first one where you looked and thought, what the **** is going on here. However Rafa still has some of that money getting added to this years budget (was it 11m?). It was a good deal as it turns out because Rondon was good and more use to Rafa, who had no place for Mitro.

We haven't been that bad replacing people in my opinion. Who we replaced them with would be an altogether different assessment though.
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Ish. I'd agree that we eventually reinvest, over the course of a few windows with players that cost a fraction of the ones we sold. I'd even concede that provided we get enough in to avoid relegation it's a sound business model.

The issue is that we never seem to have any other money and yet every other team does. We have no ambition and every other team does. We no longer even look for mediocrity in our team, we hope for mediocrity and accept utter tripe with the hope of better tomorrow. After more than a decade I see no reason to suspect there is better tomorrow. It's only a matter of time before we get relegated again, it doesn't need to be like this but this is what we have. It's fine, we just need to accept we cannot compete with 10-15 of the other Premiership clubs.
 
haslam said:
Ish. I'd agree that we eventually reinvest, over the course of a few windows with players that cost a fraction of the ones we sold. I'd even concede that provided we get enough in to avoid relegation it's a sound business model.

The issue is that we never seem to have any other money and yet every other team does. We have no ambition and every other team does. We no longer even look for mediocrity in our team, we hope for mediocrity and accept utter tripe with the hope of better tomorrow. After more than a decade I see no reason to suspect there is better tomorrow. It's only a matter of time before we get relegated again, it doesn't need to be like this but this is what we have. It's fine, we just need to accept we cannot compete with 10-15 of the other Premiership clubs.
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The only reason the other teams have money to spend is they are quite happy to saddle debt to their club or they have an owner willing to put their hand in their pocket. They'll also spend TV money in advance of getting it. Football isn't like a normal business. We have neither option available to us as our owner seems intent on keeping the club in purgatory (as he threatened when people made threats to his daughter) I'd hope this is not some kind of petty vengeance due to the actions of a few but this is Mike Ashley.

You're right we are under threat from relegation like another 10 teams in the division. Only money can get you out of that band of teams and into the Leicester or Evertons. Its why he should sell us and stop all this rubbish about being self sufficient. He knows full well no clubs are self sufficient. There is the odd exception but generally they've had a monster sale to skew the situation. Obviously well done to that club for getting the big sale but there is a bit of luck involved. Gareth Bale was always a top talent but I think you'd struggle to find a single soul who thought he'd be a world record signing for 100m when he first signed on at Spurs.
 
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Ok. Lets do this in a semi-reasonable manner and imagine a new owner does indeed come in and we have say £70-100m to play with (I reckon they'd possibly put in 50m as a statement and we'd have another 20-50m already available anyway) what players and positions should we be targeting? For the record the money probably includes wages and signing on fees, it always feels silly to just ignore them anyway.

My view: Whatever happens with owners we just need some tweaks to be talking about a top-ten push and putting relegation talk on the back burner. Quality rather than quantity.

GK - Good enough for now including cover.
Defence - Surprisingly decent at CB. RB needs more quality. LB (Dummet) is 'ok' as I think he looked good for most of his games last season.
Midfield - We could do with a genuine "top half of the Prem" class CM to help Longstaff and who is an upgrade on Diame/Shelvey/Hayden/Ki.
Wings - Not in drastic need of investment (Almiron will be fine) though Ritchie is limited he "does a job". Our back-up here is poor though (Atsu, Murphy, etc.)
Up front - NEED probably 2 strikers and back-up for Perez.

CM and Striker top priority.
RB, 2nd Striker, AM next up.

Any suggestions on players? People agree/ disagree with the above?
 
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haslam said:
Ok. Lets do this in a semi-reasonable manner and imagine a new owner does indeed come in and we have say £70-100m to play with (I reckon they'd possibly put in 50m as a statement and we'd have another 20-50m already available anyway) what players and positions should we be targeting? For the record the money probably includes wages and signing on fees, it always feels silly to just ignore them anyway.

My view: Whatever happens with owners we just need some tweaks to be talking about a top-ten push and putting relegation talk on the back burner. Quality rather than quantity.

GK - Good enough for now including cover.
Defence - Surprisingly decent at CB. RB needs more quality. LB (Dummet) is 'ok' as I think he looked good for most of his games last season.
Midfield - We could do with a genuine "top half of the Prem" class CM to help Longstaff and who is an upgrade on Diame/Shelvey/Hayden/Ki.
Wings - Not in drastic need of investment (Almiron will be fine) though Ritchie is limited he "does a job". Our back-up here is poor though (Atsu, Murphy, etc.)
Up front - NEED probably 2 strikers and back-up for Perez.

CM and Striker top priority.
RB, 2nd Striker, AM next up.

Any suggestions on players? People agree/ disagree with the above?
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What games were you watching with Dummett being good at left wing back? That was Matt Ritchie.

Striker 1
Striker 2
DCM 3
CM 4
ACM 5

Anything else a bonus.
 
haslam said:
Ok. Lets do this in a semi-reasonable manner and imagine a new owner does indeed come in and we have say £70-100m to play with (I reckon they'd possibly put in 50m as a statement and we'd have another 20-50m already available anyway) what players and positions should we be targeting? For the record the money probably includes wages and signing on fees, it always feels silly to just ignore them anyway.

My view: Whatever happens with owners we just need some tweaks to be talking about a top-ten push and putting relegation talk on the back burner. Quality rather than quantity.

GK - Good enough for now including cover.
Defence - Surprisingly decent at CB. RB needs more quality. LB (Dummet) is 'ok' as I think he looked good for most of his games last season.
Midfield - We could do with a genuine "top half of the Prem" class CM to help Longstaff and who is an upgrade on Diame/Shelvey/Hayden/Ki.
Wings - Not in drastic need of investment (Almiron will be fine) though Ritchie is limited he "does a job". Our back-up here is poor though (Atsu, Murphy, etc.)
Up front - NEED probably 2 strikers and back-up for Perez.

CM and Striker top priority.
RB, 2nd Striker, AM next up.

Any suggestions on players? People agree/ disagree with the above?
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Barring some drastic chance of circumstance I can't really see any reason why we wouldn't be selling Gayle and buying Rondon for a net outlay of £5m or so.
 
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