Black Managers

[BobbyD]

Rubbish. I actually look for the reasons why it isn't racism.
The problem is that most people find the statistics too hard. People on here are comparing the proportion of the UK population who are black with the proportion of football managers who are black. But the neither the footballers nor the football managers are predominately drawn from the UK population. So it is the WRONG comparison.
A simpler example is nursing and sexism. Just over half of senior nurse managers are men. That isn't surprising based on the UK population. But nearly 90% of junior nurses are female. So male nurses are much more likely to be promoted to senior manager than female ones. Is that sexism or something else?

At the same time is sexism what makes nursing 90% females as surely we should be getting a 50/50 split?

 

[PowerSpurs]

At the same time is sexism what makes nursing 90% females as surely we should be getting a 50/50 split?

Not sure tbh. I doubt there is any overt sexism in the selection but it's interesting that there still seem to be jobs that are thought to be for women. Probably a sign of institutionalised sexism in society rather than bias.

 

[Treble]

Tbh the way i see it is that typically clubs will hire safe managers or at most, the higher to status clubs (higher being lower premier league and championship where they sack the manager) will give it to one of their coaches who may or may not do a good job.

Why arent any black footballers becoming coaches first? Who knows.

With respect to big names getting big jobs straight away without building up, at most i can think of will be club legends going to stabilise a club.

Im not buying racism yet. I just reckon most probably perceive theres racism and dont bother reapplying or want to start at the top

I don't care enough about it tbh.

Why are we focusing on black managers anyway when there is still a lack of opportunity for players, and I'm not talking about black players. British asians don't get a look in even when they're good enough. I've seen it myself at trials. This was about 15 yes ago but situation doesn't appear to have changed.

It's always about playing it safe rather than any overt racism tbh. Takes a Ron Atkinson to break the taboo. Unless you're Marcel Desailly. He didn't like him.

 

[Treble]

Btw Bobby you're my bride on FootballForum.net, just saying.

 

[The RingBLEEDER.]

Frank Lampard walks straight into Derby.

Big Sol has to cut his teeth at Macclesfield.

Just saying.

Maybe it’s because Sol Campbell comes across as an egotistical maniac with very strong nonce vibes radiating from his every pour.

 

[Saf]

Maybe it’s because Sol Campbell comes across as an egotistical maniac with very strong nonce vibes radiating from his every pour.

 

[haslam]

Hughton's 1st managerial post was at Newcastle. Hardly started at the bottom, did he.

Our "manager" had heart issues and was replaced by caretaker managers (Shearer and Dowie) who got us relegated. Hughton got the role because Ashley is a cheapskate and he was an in-house appointment.

As for people saying special rules should not apply as it should be a level playing field it pretty clearly is not a level playing field. Anyone who can't see there's a difference between white ex-players getting into management and black ex-players simply doesn't want to see it.

 

[Commachio]

Our "manager" had heart issues and was replaced by caretaker managers (Shearer and Dowie) who got us relegated. Hughton got the role because Ashley is a cheapskate and he was an in-house appointment.

As for people saying special rules should not apply as it should be a level playing field it pretty clearly is not a level playing field. Anyone who can't see there's a difference between white ex-players getting into management and black ex-players simply doesn't want to see it.

You hounded out Hughton, Fat Sam, Sir Bobby etc

Cos yer all horse ****ing, dog punching ****s

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[BobbyD]

Not sure tbh. I doubt there is any overt sexism in the selection but it's interesting that there still seem to be jobs that are thought to be for women. Probably a sign of institutionalised sexism in society rather than bias.

Of course theres institutionalised sexism but its a physiological one too. Women are naturally more caring so maybe thats why they go into nursing rather than pallette packing like our buddy comm who gives a shout out to the softies everyday.

I think this where the angle is wrong, you say its sexism that women get more nursing jobs because we force them into it, and you will probably say its sexism keeping girls away from engineering jobs (i dont deny some might be put off whether through home influence etc).

Like all things that change it probably needs to be a generational thing.

Back to lack of black managers but whats whats the make up for black foreign players to normal black players and vice versa for white ones. Maybe theres a case that most of them fancy going back home after a long arduous career and have earnt enough. I think we forget that (maybe this is a stereotype) for the likes of ekotto (french), i reckon suarez, drogba etc they come from poor backgrounds and want to either help their country or just enjoy the money they have earnt.

 

[Mick O'Toon]

Chris Hughton walks into a job at Newcastle United.

Teddy Sheringham needs to start off at Stevenage.

To use two managers to suggest something is a bit vague and silly imo.

If people are good enough and in the right place at the right time they'll get a job regardless of skin colour.

He didn't though,he coached at Spurs for years and most of their new managers kept him on when they took over,he earned his chance imho

1997 Tottenham Hotspur (caretaker)
2003–2005 Republic of Ireland (assistant manager)
2008 Newcastle United (caretaker)
2009–2010 Newcastle United
2011–2012 Birmingham City
2012–2014 Norwich City
2014–2019 Brighton & Hove Albion

 

[Saf]

He didn't though,he coached at Spurs for years and most of their new managers kept him on when they took over,he earned his chance imho

1997 Tottenham Hotspur (caretaker)
2003–2005 Republic of Ireland (assistant manager)
2008 Newcastle United (caretaker)
2009–2010 Newcastle United
2011–2012 Birmingham City
2012–2014 Norwich City
2014–2019 Brighton & Hove Albion

He earned a chance so was giving a chance. What's racist about that?

 

[Mick O'Toon]

He earned a chance so was giving a chance. What's racist about that?

Never said it was just pointed out that Hughton didn't walk straight into a manager's job.

 

[haslam]

You hounded out Hughton, Fat Sam, Sir Bobby etc

Cos yer all horse ****ing, dog punching ****s

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Hounded out houghton? Utter nonsense, Ashley got rid of him and fans protested to keep him. Feel free to go check, you are simply wrong there.

 

[Treble]

Hounded out houghton? Utter nonsense, Ashley got rid of him and fans protested to keep him. Feel free to go check, you are simply wrong there.

I also think it should be 'horse punching' and 'dog ****ing', but I didn't want to say.

 

[haslam]

Think you'll find Hughton is still held in high regard by Newcastle fans. Ashlyn
Attempts to rewrite history as above are as admirable as they are nonsense. Hounded out indeed...

 

[haslam]

I also think it should be 'horse punching' and 'dog ****ing', but I didn't want to say.

Well yeah that's fair enough, but the comments regarding Hughton in particular are the exact opposite of what happened. Fans protested in the games after he had been sacked as we thought in was uncalled for.

Then he posts a meme making out that I'm being stupid to back up his [HASHTAG]#fakenews[/HASHTAG].

Ah well, big fan Comm but every so often we have to fall into our partizan factions.

 

[Treble]

Well yeah that's fair enough, but the comments regarding Hughton in particular are the exact opposite of what happened. Fans protested in the games after he had been sacked as we thought in was uncalled for.

Then he posts a meme making out that I'm being stupid to back up his [HASHTAG]#fakenews[/HASHTAG].

Ah well, big fan Comm but every so often we have to fall into our partizan factions.

Personally, and I may be wrong here, but it was 1am and I think Comm just wanted to be a ****

 

[Mick O'Toon]

Well yeah that's fair enough, but the comments regarding Hughton in particular are the exact opposite of what happened. Fans protested in the games after he had been sacked as we thought in was uncalled for.

Then he posts a meme making out that I'm being stupid to back up his [HASHTAG]#fakenews[/HASHTAG].

Ah well, big fan Comm but every so often we have to fall into our partizan factions.

I think they are getting all excited for whatever reason,I had to point out that Hughton didn't walk straight into a job and I still think no one believes me

 

[haslam]

Personally, and I may be wrong here, but it was 1am and I think Comm just wanted to be a ****

Oh god yeah, been posting with Comm for best part of a decade. His rants are pretty good fun and run like clockwork. Not having that about Hughton but the rest of it was on the money anyway.

 

[Big Ern]

Not sure tbh. I doubt there is any overt sexism in the selection but it's interesting that there still seem to be jobs that are thought to be for women. Probably a sign of institutionalised sexism in society rather than bias.

or simply genetic preference? Girls like playing with dolls, boys with guns.