Off Topic UK / EU Future
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yorkshirehornet
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You'll be joining passport stamping queues soon... So stupid.. And the little man will gain NOTHING from this..
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yorkshirehornet
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For goodness sake another pointed personalised jibe. You really are a nasty man.. Take off your own prejudiced sunglasses for once..
You completely miss the point.. Again.. Of what was said...
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yorkshirehornet
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Uncalled for.. Do you want me to make a jibe back.. Because that seems to be your sole interest in here..??
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yorkshirehornet
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The Green Party knows the EU's not perfect, and have serious plans to improve it. But despite these faults, the EU is the most democratic trade block in the world.
The WTO on the other hand is so bad that the Green Party has been campaigning against it for 25 years.
The WTO has no democracy. It exists to promote neoliberal free trade above all else with virtually no remit to protect or improve workers rights or the environment.
The WTO is a framework in which the powerful countries and corporations bully the weak into submission, a framework in which any country can block another countries WTO schedules - ours are currently being blocked by 20 countries including the USA, Russia and even the mighty Moldova.
After Brexit the UK will be negotiating new trade deals within the WTO from a position of extreme weakness, which is why these countries are blocking our schedules. We have to negotiate a deal with each of them to allow our WTO schedules to pass.
After huge public pressure the EU demonstrated it's democratic credentials by cancelling the proposed TTIP free trade deal with the USA because it would have been bad for EU countries in many ways.
TTIP would have allowed big companies to take governments to an international dispute settlement tribunal that could impose unlimited fines, but wouldn't allow governments to take those companies to the tribunal.
Post Brexit the UK will almost certainly sign a worse version of this terrible deal with the USA and similar agreements with other countries because we'll be desperate and this is what the Tory Brexiteers want to happen. The government can sign these trade deals without any referendum or even a parliamantary vote.
So Mr Farage, how do you explain your claims that this is about democracy?
Is Brexit not really about protecting the UK's many tax haven protectorates from the new zzz EU anti-tax avoidance directive?
An anti-tax avoidance directive that the Greens helped to push through th e EU?
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The WTO on the other hand is so bad that the Green Party has been campaigning against it for 25 years.
The WTO has no democracy. It exists to promote neoliberal free trade above all else with virtually no remit to protect or improve workers rights or the environment.
The WTO is a framework in which the powerful countries and corporations bully the weak into submission, a framework in which any country can block another countries WTO schedules - ours are currently being blocked by 20 countries including the USA, Russia and even the mighty Moldova.
After Brexit the UK will be negotiating new trade deals within the WTO from a position of extreme weakness, which is why these countries are blocking our schedules. We have to negotiate a deal with each of them to allow our WTO schedules to pass.
After huge public pressure the EU demonstrated it's democratic credentials by cancelling the proposed TTIP free trade deal with the USA because it would have been bad for EU countries in many ways.
TTIP would have allowed big companies to take governments to an international dispute settlement tribunal that could impose unlimited fines, but wouldn't allow governments to take those companies to the tribunal.
Post Brexit the UK will almost certainly sign a worse version of this terrible deal with the USA and similar agreements with other countries because we'll be desperate and this is what the Tory Brexiteers want to happen. The government can sign these trade deals without any referendum or even a parliamantary vote.
So Mr Farage, how do you explain your claims that this is about democracy?
Is Brexit not really about protecting the UK's many tax haven protectorates from the new zzz EU anti-tax avoidance directive?
An anti-tax avoidance directive that the Greens helped to push through th e EU?
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yorkshirehornet
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The above is a Green Party comment. But worth a careful read...
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yorkshirehornet
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It's all about the money... the personal wealth of the higher ranking /donating tories and the likes of nazinige and their off shore shennanigans. Alas it never ceases to amaze me how the working classes fall for this BS every time. Here or in the US. Too many turkeys who voted for xmas seem intent on, having survived xmas, voting for easter and thanksgiving too! These bar stewards don't care about us, not one jot... and as the outright owner of my very nice 4B DG detached house in one of the most expensive places to live in the UK, I'm doing nicely ta-very muchly and I KNOW they don't care about me either. These self serving sycophants and their lap dogs make me sick.
yorkshirehornet
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Yes.. Well put... Really people are still asleep too the fact that they are serfs.. And even the self assured middle classes with a few grand to invest will see no profit in probably twenty years.
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Just about to fill in my postal vote. It has taken very little thought. I would not vote for any party that was unclear about where it stood, one that was in fear of of a bunch of people wanting to return the country to the last century or earlier, and one run by a limited liability company that has no policies or members, just a Rees-Mogg heading the list. Simple to look up where my vote would be best placed to keep this bunch of crooks at bay, and it came down to two. My protest against the current failure in Westminster to provide good government for everyone will be in the post tomorrow.
It is quite easy to discount the LibDems, Greens, and Chuka's five minute party. Labour is in a mess and unsure how to decide on policies. This only leaves the Tories or the Brexit party. If the current PM is still in office in simply comes down to voting for the Brexit Party. Farage is extremely good at influencing government policy from the outside, very few people possess that skill.
Getting better every time you hear a government minster admit that Article 50 could be revoked. It seems to be the latest attempt to get the fruit cakes into line.
No-one actually believes that is a possibility. No respectable government would fail to implement the democratic decision taken by the referendum. It is very doubtful her dodgy deal will be agreed.
What you are not taking into account is that the present minority government could fall at anytime. After the fiasco of the council elections, the likely disaster at the EU elections, the Tory base will be destroyed. Members of the party voting against the party will hasten that fall, so maybe they need to consider if they want another minority government, but this time led by Corbyn. That is quite likely according to all the commentators and polls, and if that happened all Tory Brexit legislation would be off the table.
yorkshirehornet
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The Tory party in Parliament are walking a very fine line... How they can recover after all this depends on if they can elect a leader who will unite them...
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Almost impossible now. The great majority are realists who know the damage that electing a hard Brexiteer as leader would do. The grassroots long ago gave up the idea of appointing a middle of the road leader. The party is totally split, and the best thing for them would be for the loonies to join Farage, let the party take the hit, and try to return in ten years time. We know that the country has turned strongly against Brexit, but that has not impacted on the Tories yet.
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