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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Stroller said:
Of course, how could you think it otherwise?
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I don’t see it as discrimination as I (perhaps wrongly) think of racism as being.

This country grants entry to more than its fair share of immigrants from Asia and from Africa. Always has done. I read that many of them and/or their descendants voted Brexit as they disliked the way they had to come here and make it through hard work, but modern immigrants have it all handed to them on a plate.

I’m under the impression that many of this ilk are supporters of Farage. Are they racists too?

I’m interested because it’s all too easy to stick a ‘racism’ banner across important issues and scare people off a grown up debate.
 
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Uber_Hoop said:
I don’t see it as discrimination as I (perhaps wrongly) think of racism as being.

This country grants entry to more than its fair share of immigrants from Asia and from Africa. Always has done. I read that many of them and/or their descendants voted Brexit as they disliked the way they had to come here and make it through hard work, but modern immigrants have it all handed to them on a plate.

I’m under the impression that many of this ilk are supporters of Farage. Are they racists too?

I’m interested because it’s all too easy to stick a ‘racism’ banner across important issues and scare people off a grown up debate.
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As I seem doomed to repeat ad nauseum, supporting a racist doesn't necessarily make one a racist.

I find it hard to understand how any could view that poster as anything other than racist, though.
 
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Stroller said:
As I seem doomed to repeat ad nauseum, supporting a racist doesn't necessarily make one a racist.

I find it hard to understand how any could view that poster as anything other than racist, though.
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As you know, G, I have the utmost respect for you, but I still struggle with equating that poster - mistakes and all - with the out and out, incontrovertible conclusion that Farage is a racist. To do such things, to me at least, just feels like a convenient way of avoiding proper in-depth discussion on some pretty serious things.
 
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Uber_Hoop said:
As you know, G, I have the utmost respect for you, but I still struggle with equating that poster - mistakes and all - with the out and out, incontrovertible conclusion that Farage is a racist. To do such things, to me at least, just feels like a convenient way of avoiding proper in-depth discussion on some pretty serious things.
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Stop being nice, you bastard.

Maybe Farage isn't racist. If he isn't though, he's an even bigger **** than I gave him credit for. That poster, in my opinion, is equivalent to Nazi anti-Jewish propaganda, cynically exploiting fears of Islamist terrorism.
 
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Stroller said:
Stop being nice, you bastard.

Maybe Farage isn't racist. If he isn't though, he's an even bigger **** than I gave him credit for. That poster, in my opinion, is equivalent to Nazi anti-Jewish propaganda, cynically exploiting fears of Islamist terrorism.
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if it was anti jewish propaganda then surely it would have been a labour party poster
 
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Stroller said:
Stop being nice, you bastard.

Maybe Farage isn't racist. If he isn't though, he's an even bigger **** than I gave him credit for. That poster, in my opinion, is equivalent to Nazi anti-Jewish propaganda, cynically exploiting fears of Islamist terrorism.
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Lol.

So, let's have that proper grown-up debate about immigration in this country that we should've had before Labour did what Andrew Neather later admitted was deliberate. It always seemed a bit rich to me that Labour intentionally opened the doors to increased immigration in order to irreversibly change the culture in this country and rub the 'Right's' noses in it, yet it was also under the same Labour administration that Blair so sycophantically embraced George Dubya's 'War On Terror', a move that has led to the destabilisation of many Middle Eastern and North African states to the extent that terrorism has not withered but fomented.

As somebody on the 'right' of centre, I abhor twats like Blair far more than blunt instruments like Farage. People like Farage are the reaction. Its men like Blair that have irreversibly change the whole world, not just the UK... and not for the better.

Can anybody say with any honesty that they feel the world is a safer place post-911 and thereafter? Why is it that its so easy to label Farage a racist and make him the hate figure, when utter bell-end ****tards like Blair seemingly are allowed to flounce about and still foster some sort of relevance, when their actions have created far greater issues that Single Issue Nige ever could?

Deliver Brexit and Nigel ****s off again. Blair just keeps on coming back like the archetypal slasher movie serial killer that he undoubtedly is.

[Soz, been on the Malbec again. Its the divorce wot makes you bitter]
 
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Uber_Hoop said:
Lol.

So, let's have that proper grown-up debate about immigration in this country that we should've had before Labour did what Andrew Neather later admitted was deliberate. It always seemed a bit rich to me that Labour intentionally opened the doors to increased immigration in order to irreversibly change the culture in this country and rub the 'Right's' noses in it, yet it was also under the same Labour administration that Blair so sycophantically embraced George Dubya's 'War On Terror', a move that has led to the destabilisation of many Middle Eastern and North African states to the extent that terrorism has not withered but fomented.

As somebody on the 'right' of centre, I abhor twats like Blair far more that blunt instruments like Farage. People like Farage are the reaction. Its men like Blair that have irreversibly change the whole world, not just the UK... and not for the better.

Can anybody say with any honesty that they feel the world is a safer place post-911 and thereafter? Why is it that its so easy to label Farage a racist and make him the hate figure, when utter bell-ends ****tards like Blair seemingly are allowed to flounce about and still foster some sort of relevance, when their actions have created far greater issues that Single Issue Nige ever could?

Deliver Brexit and Nigel ****s off again. Blair just keeps on coming back like the archetypal slasher movie serial killer that he undoubtedly is.

[Soz, been on the Malbec again. Its the divorce wot makes you bitter]
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Good stuff. I'm going to have to defer my response though, I'm afraid. Much Guinness followed by some delicious Appassimento.

Bon Jovi.
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
I think turn-out may be high. Brexiteers want to express themselves after three years of frustration, and the staunch Remainers will be out too. Tories and Labour will get bye-passed though.
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Up here, the SNP Euro pledge is to reverse Brexit, and they are riding high. I wouldn't expect Farage and his pals to get much joy from voters North of the border (although he is apparently campaigning - there's six seats available), whilst Sturgeon is telling everyone to ditch Labour & Tory.

Sturgeon steps up call for pro-EU voters to shun Scottish Labour | Politics | The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/politic...all-for-pro-eu-voters-to-shun-scottish-labour


The latest poll in Scotland puts the SNP at 40%, Labour at 14% and the Tories at 10%, so the Tories will struggle to hold on to their one European seat and Labour looks set to lose one of its two MEPs. The poll puts the Brexit party at 13%, so Farage may sneak a seat, UKIP at 3% (so they will probably lose their one seat) and Lib-Dems floundering on 6%.

Anyone know how the voting works for Euro elections (is it first past the post, PR, or some other weird and wonderful method?).

I'd be voting Green if I thought they would get a seat.....
 
Steelmonkey said:
Up here, the SNP Euro pledge is to reverse Brexit, and they are riding high. I wouldn't expect Farage and his pals to get much joy from voters North of the border (although he is apparently campaigning - there's six seats available), whilst Sturgeon is telling everyone to ditch Labour & Tory.

Sturgeon steps up call for pro-EU voters to shun Scottish Labour | Politics | The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/politic...all-for-pro-eu-voters-to-shun-scottish-labour


The latest poll in Scotland puts the SNP at 40%, Labour at 14% and the Tories at 10%, so the Tories will struggle to hold on to their one European seat and Labour looks set to lose one of its two MEPs. The poll puts the Brexit party at 13%, so Farage may sneak a seat, UKIP at 3% (so they will probably lose their one seat) and Lib-Dems floundering on 6%.

Anyone know how the voting works for Euro elections (is it first past the post, PR, or some other weird and wonderful method?).

I'd be voting Green if I thought they would get a seat.....
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Down here, the Brexit Party is polling higher than the Tories and Labour combined!!
 
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Steelmonkey said:
Up here, the SNP Euro pledge is to reverse Brexit, and they are riding high. I wouldn't expect Farage and his pals to get much joy from voters North of the border (although he is apparently campaigning - there's six seats available), whilst Sturgeon is telling everyone to ditch Labour & Tory.

Sturgeon steps up call for pro-EU voters to shun Scottish Labour | Politics | The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/politic...all-for-pro-eu-voters-to-shun-scottish-labour


The latest poll in Scotland puts the SNP at 40%, Labour at 14% and the Tories at 10%, so the Tories will struggle to hold on to their one European seat and Labour looks set to lose one of its two MEPs. The poll puts the Brexit party at 13%, so Farage may sneak a seat, UKIP at 3% (so they will probably lose their one seat) and Lib-Dems floundering on 6%.

Anyone know how the voting works for Euro elections (is it first past the post, PR, or some other weird and wonderful method?).

I'd be voting Green if I thought they would get a seat.....
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It's PR I believe, so a vote for the Greens might be worthwhile.

Just found this, it's certainly weird but I'm not sure about wonderful.........

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27187434
 
Steelmonkey said:
Up here, the SNP Euro pledge is to reverse Brexit, and they are riding high. I wouldn't expect Farage and his pals to get much joy from voters North of the border (although he is apparently campaigning - there's six seats available), whilst Sturgeon is telling everyone to ditch Labour & Tory.

Sturgeon steps up call for pro-EU voters to shun Scottish Labour | Politics | The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/politic...all-for-pro-eu-voters-to-shun-scottish-labour


The latest poll in Scotland puts the SNP at 40%, Labour at 14% and the Tories at 10%, so the Tories will struggle to hold on to their one European seat and Labour looks set to lose one of its two MEPs. The poll puts the Brexit party at 13%, so Farage may sneak a seat, UKIP at 3% (so they will probably lose their one seat) and Lib-Dems floundering on 6%.

Anyone know how the voting works for Euro elections (is it first past the post, PR, or some other weird and wonderful method?).

I'd be voting Green if I thought they would get a seat.....
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Yes, the SNP seem to have their finger on the pulse so far as Brexit in Scotland is concerned. Be interesting to see how that translates, when Sturgeon goes for the second Independence vote. Indyref2 could be a time away because Brexit has to be sorted first, and that's an issue no one can call at the moment.

The voting system is proportional for the EU Parliament election. Here's the explanation from the Guardian:

"Unlike in winner-takes-all general elections, the voting system is proportional. Parties select a list of candidates for each region, and voters just choose a party. Independents are treated as parties with a single candidate.

When the votes are counted, the party with the most votes takes the first seat. To allocate the second and subsequent seats, the original vote totals are divided by the number of seats parties have gained, plus one. In effect, this means a party’s vote count is halved after winning its first seat, and reduced by two-thirds after its second, and so on. This approach is known as the D’Hondt method (after the 19th-century Belgian polymath who invented it, Victor d’Hondt)."

D'Hondt has a lot to answer for, I bet he's an ancestor of Verhofstadt!

PS Strolls beat me to it!
 
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