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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. GoldhawkRoad

    GoldhawkRoad Well-Known Member

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    It's been reported numerous times in the UK media
     
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  2. Quite Possibly Raving

    Quite Possibly Raving Well-Known Member

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    Excellent news - no hard border. Assuming Ireland don't put up a hard border either, we've got an open border to the whole of Europe.

    All migrants welcome in to the UK via Dublin, all customs welcome too. No checks. Truly the Brexit dream that 17.4m voted for.
     
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  3. Stroller

    Stroller Well-Known Member

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    But there will be a border, there will be customs checks and it will kill the Good FrIday Agreement. Still, that doesn't matter, does it?
     
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  4. GoldhawkRoad

    GoldhawkRoad Well-Known Member

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    It's the EU that would be looking for customs checks to protect its CU
     
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  5. GoldhawkRoad

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    Ireland isn't in Schengen. They protect their border. EU Nats coming in via Dublin are the same as by London. If they want to work, they will need permits
     
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  6. GoldhawkRoad

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    Yes this is the Canada plus plus idea
     
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  7. QPR Oslo

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    Oh, yeah!? What I have read in Norwegian media has been various politicians quoted uttering welcoming words about the possibility of UK remaining in the EEA, and joining EFTA. Some wouldn't be happy with a temporary arrangement and some were concerned the UK would want to change everything, but overall the reaction seemed pretty positive. But I really doubt that Norwegian government has said, "Norway don't want us", because the UK government haven't proposed it, as yet at least.
     
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  8. sb_73

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    But we will be going for the Turkey plus idea, a Customs Agreement. If the government and Labour can agree.

    But most likely we will **** around for six months, spend £130m on EU elections to send a bunch of people who hate the EU to Brussels, still not reach any kind of consensus and get kicked out as a bunch of feckless time wasters.

    Bring it on, I’ve had enough.
     
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  9. GoldhawkRoad

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    Google - Brexit Norwegians don't want the UK. Plenty of material
     
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  10. GoldhawkRoad

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    I think your analysis is pretty good. Bear in mind, the EU Parl elections may bring in big dissent from other members. And, yes, from the UK. New EU leaders with this trouble may want to get Brexit out of the way. A CU that doesn't restrict deals with other nations may do it
     
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  11. sb_73

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    That’s a logical impossibility Goldie, in the same way that no border with Ireland with no Customs Union is. Although at least with the latter the Customs Union could be restricted to NI.

    Been quite a big miss from our negotiators and red line writers not to spot this this basic bit of rationality.
     
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  12. Stroller

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    Nancy Pelosi has said that there can be no UK-US free trade deal if the Good Friday Agreement is endangered.
     
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  13. GoldhawkRoad

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    Only the EU can endanger it. And if push came to shove, a technical solution to legal movement of goods would be found or better terms for a CU offered.
     
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  15. Stroller

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    How can better CU terms be offered? Surely the point is that if we are in a CU we would have to have the same tariffs and standards?
     
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  16. GoldhawkRoad

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    Remove restrictions on other deals
     
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  17. QPR Oslo

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    You are hallucinating again.
     
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    Which would have to have the same terms as for the EU.
     
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  19. GoldhawkRoad

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    Are you saying it is impossible to stay in the CU and yet have EU consent to do bi-laterals with other countries?
     
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  20. GoldhawkRoad

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    I'll post some tomorrow when I'm on the pc
     
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