Have been watching the opening few games of the world cup and not one back chat or contempt shown to the Referee in any of the games even when bad decision given. Puts the footballers to shame,,also does anyone think a sin bin would work in football like in rugby,,could cut out some bookings that go towards silly sending offs for second offence ?
Rugby World Cup
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I think a sin bin is a bad idea in football because the divers would look it as a way of getting players sent off for 10 minutes. Also, when teams are down to 10 men, they would just defend, waste time and would probably mean even more disruption than there is now.
I agree that captains should be the only ones to talk to the ref, that makes sense.
I agree that captains should be the only ones to talk to the ref, that makes sense.
Football is loved the world over because it is a simple game..don't need any unnecessary complications. You get a warning and a 2nd gets you sent off..simple.
Would like to think it would be the divers who get the sin bin,,plus after a few games of players getting the message about there behaviour and teams could be down to 9 surely they would change ,so would the managers attitude too
Players and managers never have got the message, because the results are more crucial than ever. The game is ok, yesterday's game was played in a good manner, no nasty tackles, not much baiting of the ref and apart from Derbyshire diving to try to get a pen against Davis, it was event free and fast flowing.
Didn't like the look of some of the tackles going in in the WH v Pompey match...some of our players could get injured in the cauldron of a derby match. Not that WH looked blameless. That red card must hurt a team as short of players as Portsmouth.
Another idea from another sport is a ref in each half of field like hockey,,so ref would always be up with play and ref in half that ball isn't could watch for off the ball incidents
I would rather accept football with all the inherent chances of wrong decisions than ruin the game I love.
Sounds a receipe for disaster in football. The officials they have brought in behind the goals in European games have been completely useless, they never ever make a decision.
The general consensus on this forum is that the standard of refereeing is poor and too many bad decisions are made yet any aid to the referee seems to be dismissed,,so what would your ideas be for aiding refs and changing players attitudes ?
Standard of refereeing has always been poor. Considering the money in the game, I'm surprised refs arn't made full time professionals and expected to be as fit as players. Some are, but many are too far behind the play.
They have an impossible job, but they choose to do it. I think the issues with refs in pub football is much more serious an issue because those poor sods run the risk of getting thumped by idiots on and off the pitch these days.
They have an impossible job, but they choose to do it. I think the issues with refs in pub football is much more serious an issue because those poor sods run the risk of getting thumped by idiots on and off the pitch these days.
Going back to the topic, I've always thought one of the best rules in Rugby Union is the one where the slightest dissent over a penalty decision leads to the kick being taken 10 yards further on. That's why there is hardly ever any talking back to the ref.
And, of course, the video replays to decide difficult tries (but that's another argument entirely...)
And, of course, the video replays to decide difficult tries (but that's another argument entirely...)
I listened to the England/Argentina game on Talksport, with Brian Moore commentating. I can think of few competitors in any sport past or present who are more competitive than Moore, both on and off the field. At one point he said "there's no point arguing with the referee, he's the one with the whistle." Nicely put, and an attitude all rugby players seem to share. Football really can learn from the egg chasers on this one.
All rugby referees are ex players - most interntational referees have played at international level so they can bring the expereince of playing in that cauldron to relating to the players. The other good thing from rugby is the way the refereee talks to the players - warns them if they are straying from the straight and narrow. I know it's easier in that they have more set pieces but that rapport helps to breed mutual respect. In football it's too much like them and us and the referee is the enemy rather than a friend.
Basically it's a load of muscle-bound posh blokes crashing into each other in the mud.
Bloody exciting though, and England are pretty good at it, which is not something you could say for our national football team.
Is it? I reckon the very best rugby game I've seen only compares with an average football game for action and drama.
You didn't watch the 2003 World Cup final then? That had action and drama by the bucketload. I'd certainly rather watch international rugby than, say, Stoke.
And just to re-iterate, England won the World Cup, vs Australia, in Sydney. The World Cup ffs.