Off Topic Brexit

They sure are lad, getting thoroughly bored of hearing 'let's have another vote'

 

This is a hard one to be fair.
Who would you choose to make a decision, a 60+ year old like Jim with a wealth of experience, or some 16 year old bindipper, whose sole experience in life, is limited to using his left hand for ****ing and stealing hubcaps.

 

Obviously the 16 yea...


Oh, i see what you mean, Jim, definitely Jim...

 

Simply this !

 

Gross over-exaggeration to make a point, apologies. However, it's not about the vote not going MY way - it didn't go anyone's way. I voted to remain because voting to leave was never going to be anything other than a clusterfuck. I hated politics, the system and politicians WAY before Brexit and knew for an absolute fact that putting those half-baked ****ing morons in charge of an exit strategy would be an unmitigated disaster.

Forgetting everything else, only around 63% of those that could vote, did vote. So the "majority", the "will of the people" actually pertains to around a third of the voting population, and around 1/5th of the overall population. How in the name of **** is that right? It should have been a mandatory vote with a minimum turnout requirement for the result to even be considered. It's just another obvious flaw in a terminally, endemically flawed system.

 

Any lazy bastards who didn't vote who are now moaning that there should be another vote have no voice imo. The majority voted out, there should be no turning back or democracy is no more.

 

Agree with The first bit. If you can't be added to vote, you can't complain.

With respect to second, I don't recall democracy being defined as a system in which you can't change your mind.

 

But the Remainers have nothing to show that the majority has changed its mind. A petition and a march where the numbers don’t challenge the numbers voting to leave at the Referendum are not evidence to say that the majority has changed its mind. Where there is no evidence to show the majority has changed its mind then there is no need for a further Referendum. Just because a few people (nobody has quantified the number) have changed their minds doesn’t mean we kick a democratically reached vote into touch.

 

The turnout for the 2016 UK referendum was 72.21%.

 

Why would anybody have 15email addresses - unless they have 14 sock accounts on here. Where’s Inspector Dorty when you need him?

 

So, if there's another referendum and remain wins, we will then have another before we can back out of brexit?

We don't have everyone vote conservative then have a re-vote before they actually get in.

I don't think there should never be a referendum on rejoining the EU in the future, we just have to actually leave the thing before that would occur. Whether this weakens our ability to rejoin in that instance is irrelevant, choice was made. That's democracy, no?

 

That's a lot of free trial months on Brazzers if you ask me

 

Our first decision hasn't happened yet. Don't know a massive amount about politics, but we could be missing out on a big opportunity. We are one of the strongest countries in the EU. If we go, I think Germany and France would push to follow us.

 

As much as I disagree with the outcome of this vote, I agree. However, I think politicians and voters need to be more realistic.

We're stuck in between a rock and a hard place where there is a perception that leaving the EU means ending the freedom of movement. I don't dispute that. However, I think we finally accept that the four freedoms of the single market are indivisible and the EU (rightly so) won't let a country like the UK undermine this. If they did, the concept falls down.

That puts us in a sticky position. If you couple ending freedom of movement with leaving the single market, then the only pre-existing option is an FTA a la Canada. However, as much as this lowered trade barriers (both regulatory and less importantly, non-regulatory e.g tariffs) for Canada, this raises trade barriers for us. They step closer to the single market, we step further away.

The problem is that this will undeniably have an economic impact. I'm not talking doomsday recession here but when supply chains have been so intertwined and regulation is so harmonised, this will be a negative impact.

The main issue that comes is trying to intertwine the politics and the economics. Politically, if you want to end freedom of movement you will have negative economic impacts. However, if you want to limit the negative economic impacts, you can't completely end freedom of movement and that's why the Efta option comes into play.

Personally, I've always felt the UK's natural position is Efta. We've always been on the periphery of the political integration, not quite fully involved.

Efta gives us an opportunity to slowly transition away from the EU without torpedoing our economy. Let's stay there for a few years and then see what appetite there is for a further movement away. Yes you don't end freedom of movement but it's a start...

 

This.
It's a myth that everyone has changed their mind.
I don't know a single person who has.
In fact I know people who are remoaners but are raging about the way the EU has screwed us over and made derogatory remarks about us and now have a '**** them' attitude.
I'd have no problem with another referendum as it will be an even bigger majority this time and it will set the remoaners who are still beelin' about losing into absolute beel overdrive.

 

Okay... in that case, my dad, who voted to join Europe in the 70's.... and then voted out at the 2016 referendum has changed his. As millions did. so job done.

 

I'd agree with parts of this for sure. Personally, I think if there was another referendum there'd be a slight swing to remain. However, 51-49 to remain isn't conclusive and I don't think we'd solve any problems.

On the other hand, I have a genuine fear of a no deal exit which would cause further economic, political and more importantly, social disintegration. It would cause way more problems than we have now.

Hopefully politicians will see some sense and make a compromise, where we leave the EU, respecting the referendum but take it slowly. Personally, I don't think there's any point with leaving if it's purely for the sake of it.

Will see what happens tonight...

 

Personally I think the approach taken by MP's now, in spite of all the political posturing and bullshit, is probably the right one. So late in the day, however, the whole country is an embarrassment. However, this system they are going to use today is how it should have been throughout the process and it should have involved the voting population of the UK. Simple premise, start with (say) 7 viable options, have a vote, least popular option is scrapped, vote on the 6 remaining, and so on until there's a much heavier majority for one option that is acted on properly. This is pretty much how democracy should work, with the fact we have the internet and automated IT systems and such; it should be quick, done from a laptop or mobile device and have 'mandatory' turnout, so anyone not voting is fined.

Just saying "in or out" with no facts or information (because our "leaders" didn't even know that the **** it meant) means too many different things to many different people. It varies greatly from "I voted leave because I'm sick of all the foreigners" to "I voted to leave because we need to have a greater say in global trade agreements without worrying about Romania's vote".

The trouble is they got to this point through typical stupidity and ineptitude, 2 days before we were due to leave having had 2 years to sort it out. I did vote to stay, because I knew it would be an economic and political clusterfuck because of our current "leaders". However, i'm now in the "just get the ****ing thing over with" camp; whether we stay or leave, life will go on and businesses across this country will do whatever it takes to keep the country afloat, in spite of politics.

Personally I can see benefits on both sides - but again I point to the fact we have an abhorrent political system founded on avoidance and dereliction of duty. Do you want these people leading us into a new way of being? These fcking morons couldn't negotiate with the EU when we were embedded in it, what are they going to achieve when we're not in it?

 

What the ****'s it got to do with you anyway? You live in ****ing Indonesia

 

Mods - can we ban this guy. He has been disrupting the Prediction League and now he is insulting one of our most cherished posters.