brisbane-lion
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3,000,000 signatures is bugger all. Out of a voting poplance of, what, 40,000,000? Pretty small beer to me.
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This is about the current petition, but I was shocked when I watched the video, no robot voices, no Tommy and not one mention of anything other than what could reasonably be described as the truth, well in my opinion
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The number of signatures is close to 4 Mil now, but I have a agree it is a lot less than the approx UK voting population of 45 Mil. Small beer? could be but I would not want to have to buy each of then one.
When a couple get married it's always on the same day,Oi
btw Shako, belated Happy Birthday mate
My parents were wed on the same date,
food for thought though.
When a couple get married it's always on the same day,
You’re making an assumption... nowhere did Olof imply his parents got married to each other
The only vote that means anything is the one on this thread
I think the only vote that matters, as you have all found out, is the one that coincides with the views of the MP'sThe only vote that means anything is the one on this thread
You could well be right but what views are they, even the MP's don't know.I think the only vote that matters, as you have all found out, is the one that coincides with the views of the MP's
I suspect if you got them away from the mantra of "we have to respect the peoples vote, the people have spoken" there are probably a majority in parliament who are supporters of UK membership of the EU. Herein lies the problem or salvation, depends which side of the argument you are on.
Disagree 2p. The views may vary but there is consistency to it. Each of them individually knows what they want... its whatever they think is best for their own job prospects snd financial position,
It’s part and parcel of being a politician that you have to say publicly that the will of the people is sacrosanct, whilst privately thinking they’re a bunch of fckwits who need saving from themselves.
That’s truism has been around a lot longer than brexit.
I agree MP's are all basically looking after themselves and saying and doing what they need to, to stay in office. The other day I was trying to remember if there had been any that I would honestly attribute a level of high integrity to, and I couldn't think of any.
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There’s undoubtedly self interest at play it’s human nature after all, but honestly I think most of them think they’re better than the public. We voted them in, to do their best for us, they’re meant to understand complicated matters that the man in the street doesn’t have the time or perhaps the capability to understand. We elect them to make decisions for us, not do what we want..,The difference between a representative and a delegate.
Which is completely at odds with the idea of referenda... and why they have always been a contentious tactic in British politics.
..What’s interesting constitutionally about brexit is this may be the first time that it’s ever been so obvious. It’s the first time in the uk that a vote in a politically motivated referendum has gone against the intentions of those who set it up.
A lot of people who previously will have understood nothing about how our constitution works, the role of mps etc, may have had their eyes opened to what democracy means in the uk ... and probably aren’t too impressed!
Which is completely at odds with the idea of referenda... and why they have always been a contentious tactic in British politics.
..What’s interesting constitutionally about brexit is this may be the first time that it’s ever been so obvious. It’s the first time in the uk that a vote in a politically motivated referendum has gone against the intentions of those who set it up.
A lot of people who previously will have understood nothing about how our constitution works, the role of mps etc, may have had their eyes opened to what democracy means in the uk ... and probably aren’t too impressed!
Mark Twain "If voting made a difference, they wouldn't let us do it."
On an optimistic day I would hope that this new found insight would lead to people asking more questions before they vote for an MP and convince themselves that this is the best person to represent their views. On a pessimistic day I believe it will lead to a sharp drop in voter engagement and turn-out.
Under Brexit we’ve all had strange bedfellows - Farage and Dennis Skinner on the same side?
brisbane-lion
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.I have been castigated on here as being a "whinging pom", but let's look t this in more detail.. I did not whinge. I merely stated, albeit in strong terms, how very disappointed I was at the way the UK has sunk to such a low level as to not be able to decide it's own future. Much has been said on this page about democratic process and how it's being abused. Let's look at democracy, what is it? Basically it's a platform for the people to state their requirements of their elected representatives to actually REPRESENT them. In fact democracy is, you go to the polling booth, make your mark on a piece of paper for someone you hardly know, and who certainly doesn't know you, in the belief that he/she will represent, in Parliament, the ideals that they espoused on the hustings that most appealed to you. You make your mark, and leave. That piece of paper could be flushed down the toot for all you know, because from that moment on you have absolutely no say in what your elected 'representative' says or does. Not for the next, in your case, five years. So, the democratic process is simply a way of turning perfectly good pieces of paper into bum wipes, which is almost exactly what your elected 'representative' thinks of you. Just saying.
PS We're no better off than you.
PS We're no better off than you.
brisbane-lion
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Just read that the Americans have said that ISIS has been defeated. Well, that's OK then, eh?
Isn't that about the fifth time in the last couple of months, or was that just Trump, if you will excuse the phrase.
And how many people are clicking on the petition from Korea, Russia, Holland, Germany etc etc, just like the previous petition I posted.