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Nigel Farage‏Verified account@Nigel_Farage 14h14 hours ago
Guy Verhofstadt said earlier that I would ‘hijack’ the European elections, if they took place.
What I think he meant is I would ‘obtain a lot of votes’.
Democracy is considered extremely inconvenient in the EU institutions.

 

At last! A man who dares to tell the truth about race: Ex-race tsar says silencing of debate has done devastating harm to Britain

• Trevor Phillips is the former chairman of Commission for Racial Equality
• He has attacked 'racket' of multiculturalism sparked by Blair government
• Blamed the silencing of race issues for the Rotherham grooming scandal
• Claims we are 'more ready to offend each other' as price for free speech

By Daniel Martin, Chief Political Correspondent For The Daily Mail
Published: 09:39 AEDT, 16 March 2015 | Updated: 00:14 AEDT, 17 March 2015
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Philip Davies, the Tory MP for Shipley, said: ‘I’m always grateful when a sinner repents. Some of us have been castigated for years for speaking out, and I hope the tide is turning even among those who upheld political correctness in the past.’
In his article, Mr Phillips listed a range of areas where he suggested political correct ideas and multiculturalism had made things worse.

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Jack Straw, who was foreign secretary at the time, has since conceded the policy was a 'spectacular mistake'
He put the failure of people to speak out down to fact that the ‘modern secular sin of being a racist, or its religious cousin an anti-semite or Islamophobe, is by far the worst crime of which you can be accused’.
Mr Phillips is a former television executive who became a Labour politician and then a front man for Tony Blair’s government as it tried to deal with ethnic and religious tensions.
However he dropped his ambitions for a political career and became head of the Commission for Racial Equality in 2003 and went on to the EHRC.
He was a central figure in the retreat from multiculturalism – the left-wing doctrine which encouraged migrants to keep their own culture rather than integrate into British ways.
After the 2005 London bombings he warned the country was ‘sleepwalking towards segregation’.
He earned £112,000 a year for a three-and-a-half day week at the EHRC, stepping down in 2012.
In his interview with the Channel 4 documentary, Things We Can’t Say About Race That Are True, Mr Blair insisted he was prepared to argue in favour of immigration.
Hundreds of thousands of Eastern Europeans came here because his government opted not to impose transitional controls 11 years ago.
The foreign secretary at the time, Jack Straw, has since conceded the policy was a ‘spectacular mistake’, while Ed Miliband has also said the party ‘got it wrong’ on immigration.
Last year former Labour home secretary David Blunkett warned of increasing public fears about immigration. Tory MP Mr Davies said: ‘Tony Blair must be the only person in the country who does not think it was a mistake.’
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Explosive truths about race we're not allowed to talk about: The political class's failure to confront unpalatable facts has had appalling consequences, says ex-head of equality watchdog
BY TREVOR PHILLIPS, FORMER CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMISSION FOR RACIAL EQUALITY
When I took over as chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality (CRE) in March 2003, I was braced for trouble. Race and religion are the most divisive and potent flashpoints in Western societies.
I was pretty well prepared for the job of race relations tsar. I had been a journalist for 25 years; I had run several public bodies; and I had been elected to chair the London Assembly.
Like most men of my age and background I’d also managed to get myself stopped by the police in pretty much every model of car I’d ever owned. I thought I knew what I was taking on. But to paraphrase the famous Monty Python sketch, nobody expects to be shot in the face.

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Trevor Phillips was the chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality during the Blair government
In autumn 2005, what I thought was a car backfiring outside the office turned out to have punched a hole in the window next to my desk.
The would-be airgun assassins missed. But had I been less lucky I might, I guess, have lost an eye. The police came, investigated, but never had much chance of finding the culprit. We repaired the window, stepped up security, warned staff to be careful leaving the building and forgot all about it.
Like many people in my position, I find that such threats are a routine occurrence. If you’re not white, they come with their own special menace. But that hole in the window beside my desk at the CRE’s offices in South London should have been a stark warning of the passions that were already being roused, even in this mild-mannered nation, by Britain’s growing ethnic and cultural frictions.
It had been central to the New Labour project led by Tony Blair that Britain’s attitude to a multi-ethnic society would be transformed. We thought that if the government tackled discrimination with enough vigour then we didn’t need to worry too much about racial and religious divisions, which would just melt away in time because, after all, we were the same under the skin.
While beautiful in theory, in practice multiculturalism had become a racket
When it was announced on July 6, 2005, that London had won the 2012 Olympics with a pitch based on Britain’s ease with ethnic diversity, it seemed as though the whole world had bought our philosophy.
But the very next day it became clear that not everyone shared our enthusiasm for multiculturalism. On July 7, 52 people were murdered and more than 700 injured by four explosions on the London transport system.
When it emerged that the bombers were all young British Muslim men, we were faced with a single devastating question: if our multiculturalist dream was working so well, why had this happened?
For me the shock was compounded by a dawning realisation that I might have to bear some personal responsibility for failing to see what was coming. Because I had made it my business to spend part of each week in a community outside London, I already knew some groups were becoming so isolated that values and ideas which most people would find alien were tolerated and even encouraged.
But we had said little about it and done even less. After 12 months at the CRE I had come to the conclusion that, while beautiful in theory, in practice multiculturalism had become a racket, in which self-styled community leaders bargained for control over local authority funds that would prop up their own status and authority. Far from encouraging integration, it had become in their interest to preserve the isolation of their ethnic groups.
In some, practices such as female genital mutilation — a topic I’d made films about as a TV journalist — were regarded as the private domain of the community. In others, local politicians and community bosses had clearly struck a Faustian bargain: grants for votes.
And I saw a looming danger that these communities were steadily shrinking in on themselves, trapping young people behind walls of tradition and deference to elders.
Of course none of this was secret. But anyone who pointed the finger could expect to be denounced for not respecting diversity.

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When Mr Phillips said Britain was 'sleepwalking its way to segregation' both Theresa May and the liberal Democrat Schools Minister David Laws were among his critics
I myself had been quick to criticise others; in the autumn of 2005 I found myself the object of exactly this kind of witch-hunt. When I spoke publicly about my concern that Britain could be ‘sleepwalking to segregation’, I expected some mild debate. I didn’t anticipate the political fire-storm that would break.
On the evening of my speech, both the present Home Secretary, Theresa May, and the Liberal Democrat Schools Minister, David Laws — who were then in opposition — argued on the BBC1’s Question Time programme that I had gone too far.
Worse still, one of my Labour colleagues, David Miliband, who was Minister for Communities, dismissed my concerns as ‘fatuous’. Today, ten years later, we know better. On the face of it we should be a nation completely at ease with our growing diversity. But we are not.
In 2015, non-white school-leavers are more likely than their white peers to head for university.
Yet while many clever young Muslim women head for the top medical schools, a handful are boarding planes to become the brides of Isis fighters. We learn from his former headteacher that Jihadi John had attended a school where more than 70 per cent of the pupils were, like him, Muslims.
It is not Islamophobic to wonder if such a closed community might have nurtured a fatally narrow world-view
It is not Islamophobic to wonder if such a closed community might have nurtured a fatally narrow world-view. No one in France now doubts that the sickening violence that left a dozen dead in the Charlie Hebdo shootings was at least in part a consequence of the disastrous segregation of the French banlieues, the ghettos to which many Muslims have been consigned.
Yet simply pointing out these facts is thought to be so sensitive that they have become virtually unsayable. In a world that rightly venerates the memory of Martin Luther King and Nelson Mandela, the modern secular sin of being a racist (or an anti-Semite or an Islamophobe, its religious cousins) is by far the worst crime of which you can be accused.
The perverse and unintended consequences of our drive to instil respect for diversity is that our political and media classes have become terrified of discussing racial or religious differences.
Our desperation to avoid offence is itself beginning to stand in the way of progress. And all too often the losers are minority Britons.
If African Caribbeans are statistically more likely to commit some kinds of crime than other people, as indeed they are — we are especially proficient at murdering other African Caribbeans, for example — it might make some sense to understand why, so we can stop it happening.
Not all Jewish people are wealthy; in fact, some are extremely deprived. But if — as is true — Jewish households in Britain are on average twice as wealthy as the rest, might it not pay to work out what makes these families more likely to do well? Is there something that the rest can learn from their traditions and behaviour?

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We all know why these things cannot be said. The long shadow of slavery and the Holocaust rightly makes us anxious about the kind of slack thinking that led to the dehumanising of entire populations.
Yet should history prevent us from understanding the differences between us — especially if those insights might improve life for everyone?
For example, one of the great educational successes of recent years has been the dramatic improvement in the performance of London’s schoolchildren at GCSE level. Many explanations have been advanced — better teaching, new academies, innovative exchanges of classroom practice.
The one explanation that almost every Establishment report seems to reject is also the most likely. It is that during the past ten years the capital’s classrooms have seen a huge rise in the numbers of high-performing immigrant children — Chinese, Indian, African and Polish — and a contraction in the numbers of under-achieving African Caribbean and white children.
A rigorous analysis conducted by Simon Burgess, professor of economics at Bristol University, has largely been ignored by the Establishment, although not by parents. Smart middle-class parents in London now visit schools with an eye to putting their child in a class with as many Asian children as they can find.
Burgess’s study shows that it’s not only the high-flying minorities who are doing well — they’re dragging up the averages among their white classmates, too.
The instinct to avoid offence is understandable. But its outcomes have been shown in practice to be disastrous. Victoria Climbie, an Ivorian eight-year-old, was tortured and murdered in 2000.
The subsequent inquiry by Lord Laming showed that doctors and social workers, desperate to avoid charges of racial insensitivity towards a black family, ignored or misinterpreted signs that should have led to her rescue.
Latterly, the unfolding tragedy of the street grooming of children by largely Pakistani Muslim gangs in several British cities has exposed a culture in which public authorities would do almost anything to avoid being accused of stigmatising an ethnic group — including turning a blind eye to abuse.

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Victoria Climbie was tortured and murdered in 2000 after doctors and social workers ignored or misinterpreted signs that should have led to her rescue
The Times reporter Andrew Norfolk, who exposed the street grooming scandal, recently uncovered a film that had been commissioned by child protection chiefs to warn young people of the dangers. It was suppressed in 2008 for the simple reason that it featured a white girl groomed by a young Asian man — the most probable scenario, but one that was deemed unacceptable to be shown to the girls at risk. Instead, another film was commissioned. It features a white abuser, a black victim and no discernibly Asian characters.
One of the few senior figures who has never been afraid to speak his mind is the former Foreign Secretary Jack Straw.
Back in 2006 he stirred controversy by saying it would help him to communicate with his Muslim Blackburn constituents if women were prepared to remove their veils so he could see their faces when he spoke to them. He was denounced as insensitive and worse. He told me that ‘a lot of white politicians are nervous about this. They lack confidence about what their views are and they think somebody will criticise them . . . [call them] racist or some nonsense like that.’
Ann Cryer, the first MP to blow the whistle on the street grooming scandal, in her Keighley constituency, now says she discovered that others in her local party had been aware of it for years, but neither the police nor social services would take her complaints seriously.
She says she found it difficult to raise the issue without being called a racist. In the end she went public, because ‘if you pretend it’s not happening, as many people in Rotherham did, then you go down the road of condoning it.
‘You’re actually saying, “This is all right, because it’s what they do in that community”. Well, it’s not. It’s not all right.’
The actor Benedict Cumberbatch recently found himself in hot water after trying to make a perfectly reasonable — and much-needed — case for the employment of black actors in greater numbers.
Yet the star’s main point was buried in a shower of condemnation for using the ‘outdated’ term ‘coloured’ — although, in fact, in America the phrase ‘people of colour’ is the most common way of describing black and Asian people as a group.
There is a real cost to this type of intimidation. The upshot is that the next time a white person wants to speak up for minorities, I would guess they’ll hesitate and ask themselves: ‘Will I make things worse by speaking out?’
It’s not just the impact on free speech that we need to be concerned about. We find it more and more difficult to address real problems in our society because we are afraid to describe them.
In the past decade, more than half a million white Londoners left the city for the suburbs, not because they are bigots but because they wanted homes with gardens and better schools. Fewer non-whites made the same move, leaving the capital a far less integrated place.
Even among those who stayed, research by the Social Integration Commission showed that social mixing across the lines of race and religion was, relatively speaking, least likely in multi-ethnic London — because the more choice people have, the more they choose to hang out with their own kind.

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Benedict Cumberbatch recently found himself in hot water after trying to make a perfectly reasonable case for the employment of black actors in greater numbers. He was condemned for using the 'outdated' term 'coloured'
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The revelation that schools in Birmingham had been taken over by a small, religiously motivated clique — the so-called Trojan Horse scandal — shows that children’s education is at risk of being sacrificed on the altar of religious orthodoxy.
And the Electoral Commission has voiced its concern about the corruption in segregated and closed neighbourhoods.
The problems aren’t limited to the conduct of people of colour. Last week, it was reported that one employer has advertised for workers, suggesting Polish speakers would be especially welcome — not a demonstration of an equal opportunities policy, but part of the growing trend for factory and shift work to be organised by ethnicity and nationality.
It’s a phenomenon I noted when conducting an inquiry into the meat-packing industry a few years back. It’s practical common sense — the workers and their supervisors communicate more readily and there are fewer fights on the production line. But is this really how we want to live?
Few of us want to go back to the days of ‘no blacks, no Irish, no dogs’ notices. Most people would rather that racial distinctions played no part in our lives. Should there be limits to the racial or ethnic mix we tolerate in schools, workplaces or neighbourhoods?
Would the publication and use of ethnic crime data lead to racial profiling and provide an excuse for fresh discrimination by the police and criminal justice system?
In an unequal world, if we are to tackle the problems of racial inequality and segregation, we at least have to be ready to name the problem. And we have to face the political consequences of our mealy-mouthed approach to race.
Britain’s lack of frankness is echoed in every major European country and it is fuelling a growth of angry, nativist political movements across the continent.In Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, Greece and Holland, far-Right parties have steadily built a solid presence on the political landscape. In France, Marine Le Pen’s National Front is tipped to win next week’s round of local elections.
At the heart of these parties’ appeal is a simple, oft-stated claim: we are the only people ready to speak the truth.
Nothing could be further from reality. But the po-faced political correctness that cramps all the conventional parties is allowing these frauds to get away with it.
Preventing anyone from saying what’s on their minds won’t ever remove it from their hearts. People need to feel free to say what they want to without the fear of being accused of racism or bigotry.
That means we’re all going to have to become more ready to offend each other. If we do, we might — in time — begin to see each other in our true colours. And surely that’s what the aim of changing Britain’s attitudes to race was all about.

• Trevor Phillips’s documentary, Things We Won’t Say About Race That Are True, is on Channel 4 on Thursday at 9pm.

 

Tell me how it will work then. These are poor countries and the monies the EU will pump into them have to come from somewhere. Germany is on the edge of recession.

 

Nice idea. I though Erskine May was Theresa's illegitimate child...

 

Sitrep:

**** knows.

Indicative votes? Why would anyone imagine these would reach a definitive broadly supported way forward?

Brexiters get behind a meaningful vote 3 (“she’ll be back”)? Or 4?

Article 50 Extension for a few weeks?

Article 50 extension to allow general election or second referendum to take place?

Article 50 Extension for 2 years?

Article 50 revoked?

Or continued faffing around by government and Parliament to the extent that we leave with no deal on 29 March through negligence and incompetence?*

**** knows.

Still waiting for a British politician of any tribe to express shame, regret and embarrassment about the way our elected representatives are behaving.


*if we do crash out an implement the tariff rates published yesterday we will be in breach of WTO rules which say tariffs should be the same for every country we import from, and the proposed arrangements for Northern Ireland would make this impossible. Nice one Liam.

 

Replace them with what?
New politics will mean the young will vote and that means we remain ... hopefully by then a few more million old dinosaurs would have snuffed it

The U.K. is European it’s that simple

 

Agree 100% how Fox hasn’t see that is crazy

Self Obsession a measure of exactly how far we have come as a nation ... said before the British can’t even organise a cake sale without arguing

Old generations still believe we should be something special and are to blame for decades of stupidity

Time has at last caught up with the people

 

Okay. the "day after tomorrow"...wasn't that a disaster film?
This chaos is absolutely disgusting. What a bunch of ****'s. To hear MP's cheering after the result, laughing and giggling when they are discussing our country future is shameful. This is not something to celebrate. The SNP demonstrated during Goves speech that they are no better than a bunch of rowdy school kids. Never have I heard the House act like that before. Discipline has all but gone in that building.

Latest as expected Donald Tusk is open to a long extension. This is what Portillo said as it will keep us in and in 2 years people will just get on with it and Brexit will be lost.

Late last night and this morning I have only heard anger from both Remain and Leave voters. All saying the same thing that MP's have acted very badly and need to go....which they will because the voter won't forgive or forget.

This has now gone beyond Brexit our 1000 year democracy has been ruined by 400 ****'s.

 

Only good thing that will come out tonight is an amendment call for a second referendum. This has been put in to force Jezza to actually make a decision and it will let the people know who the betrayer MP's are.
I wonder if Bercow will choose that amendment?

 

Well you have to lose the fact that you believe that the EU is a charity ... you have no idea if these countries are to receive any development monies at all. Membership of the union means strength imo . Recession will always be there for any country it will go up and down that’s how it works

Where do you think the Brexit money has come from that we are spending now ? This after we have ourselves been in two recent recessions

It’s all borrowed and we are the worst at it in Europe regardless what the news say

We lump everything on loans and crazy mortgages
So think how we operate before you think that the EU just pumps money into poor countries

Ireland themselves have been great benefactors of EU money and now a real growing force so they can now contribute back to the membership
That is how it works ... been to Dublin lately ?

The U.K. have invented some idea that they pay in and get nothing back why? Too busying with their own castles and getting into debt

Well business can exist a lot better from within Europe and it will just watch and learn I have made it very clear on here what I see going on in my professional position which operates 48 months in front of the public

So it’s just about the U.K. moaning about what they think they should be nothing more and I have always been right about the failings of the U.K. culture and would persuade anyone if I could to change their minds now

The EU throughout all of this have acted in a far more professional way that is crystal clear

Look where we are ?

So now we get many just saying I can’t be bothered or worse than that copying and pasting the news generated on here

Brexiteers still cannot offer a forward plan about anything and they have plenty of time

I am hoping that the EU now says **** off England you are a mess they are fully prepared and will ride and rebuild without the U.K.

There was only going to be one winner we cannot compete with Europe in any shape or form so wake up

 

Fool it’s democracy at work U.K. style nothing more . The referendum was just that where does it say it has to happen?

The old will be dead soon look at the numbers of Brexiteers they are mainly retired moaning fools

 

Time for us lot, the baby boomers, to put our hands up, take responsibility, and apologise.

The most privileged generation in history (well, if you happen to have been born in the west, white, and probably male), with the best of intentions we have ****ed everything up. We still have nearly all of the money and nearly all of the power, but we can’t use it effectively. We are spectacularly ill equipped to run the modern world, our brains were hard wired before instant communication, endless flows of information, opinion, entertainment, we think we can cope but we really can’t. We are far too slow, stuck in old binary ways of thinking and acting, unable to be nimble, confused by the new species of the young who are used to this ****, have a mobile in their paw from birth, untroubled by truth because they instinctively know that perception is all that counts, who understand that they don’t need to know anything at all because they have all the un fact checked answers a click away.

We should gracefully withdraw, recognising that our time is up, like the elves leaving Narnia at the end of the New Age (or whatever). But we won’t, because self awareness is our biggest blind spot. We still think we’re ****ing great, we’ll cling on, looking increasingly ragged and demented, until the bitter end, until assisted dying is made compulsory for us.

The old order changeth, yielding place to new.

I feel better for that. Now I’ll turn my lap top on, do some work and inadvertently **** things up a bit more.

 

More inane bollox from mr Euro gobby, spouting his usual brand of Euro crap

 

Are you referring to the young in Southern Europe that are unemployed, or the ones here that are carrying knives with their phones?

 

All part of the fudging plan mate.

Delay, change, confuse and betray till everyone is so heartily sick of the whole thing that they accept anything, which was the plan all along.

Credit where it's due to these ****s, they've played it well.

 

You say in one breath that I have no idea whether poor countries like Albania and Macedonia will receive any EU development monies at all, and then contradict yourself by acknowledging that Ireland has been a great benefactor of EU money. So has much of Eastern Europe, so it's absolutely bleeding obvious that huge amounts of EU money will be pumped into these two new members which are developing from Third World countries. For me, trading with these countries and World Bank loans would bring the benefits needed to get them on their feet from a communist history.

As for the UK inventing the idea that they pay in and get nothing back, figures talked of are always net amounts. In 2017, the UK's net contribution (monies paid in less monies received back) was approximately £9 billion. Once the UK leaves the EU, these monies will not be available and will not be made up by Ireland.

Big is not always beautiful economically. Russia's a good example. Small, like Switzerland or Singapore, can be highly profitable. You say the UK cannot compete with Europe. Much of Europe is in or close to recession (Germany is suffering badly from a manufacturing based economy particularly cars). Predicted growth rates are poor. It's not that healthy. The UK economy is progressing satisfactorily despite transitionary uncertainty from Brexit.

 

Thats what they have done to every other country that wants out of the crap club. However col the enemy within played their part. Those 500 in parliament are the ones that need to be sorted at the next election.

 

I can imagine what he has said and it's probably more b222222's

 

They're the people I'm referring to, not the EU, who are acting exactly as I knew they would.
Parliament is full of lying, self serving ****ers who don't give a **** about the likes of us.