Match Day Thread General matchday thread.

Shots are hard and fast though sometimes it's just unavoidable. If you bring that rule in players will just shoot in the hope of hitting an arm.

 

The match official, the VAR official and the BT Sport guest pundit official all said it was a penalty having reviewed it several times.

That’s the point of VAR isn’t it?

Supporters of VAR have to accept the officials’ decisions, even the ones they disagree with otherwise they aren’t really supporters of VAR, they are supporters of more decisions going the way they want them to go.

Personally I think VAR is **** and it wasn’t a penalty but I’ll take it.

 

You can’t get around it luv. In my opinion, VAR will get it right more times than not; but decisions like last night will always be subjective.

 

Isn't your first line a huge flaw with var's supposedly huge plus point?

I said after the world cup that if we have to have it, then it shouldn't be used for handballs full stop, as any touch will look like a pen when you take it frame by frame.

 

As I say, my personal view was that it was a generous decision.

It obviously revolves around culpability and intention. Only one person knows if there was intent involved and he’s not liable to admit it even if he did intend it.

 

No, not really. Most decisions will be far clearer than that. Unfortunately those revolving around intent will always remain subjective. VAR or no VAR.

 

Having watched it in slow motion x 1000 he definitely had time to both move his arm and make a toastie.

 

So what’s been proven is that VAR will create controversies and fans of opposition clubs will cry endlessly about perceived injustices despite match officials having the option to review incidents.

Great progress.

 

But that doesn't really help the case for var does it? Most people try and sell it that it will give a definite answer in the big decisions in the big games.

If a lot of decisions are subjective, and it's not guaranteed to get the correct one in the big moments, then what's the point of it?

 

It means we'll be discussing the football instead of the decisions

 

It’s exciting for telly clappers and Twitter droolers.

 

I would think that the majority of decisions are not subjective. You’re either offside or you’re not. The ball is either out of play or it’s not. but those involving intent will always be to an extent. Although VAR will often show up far clearer cases of intent.

Incidents like last night’s you could be looked at 1000 times and you’d still get disagreement over the player’s intentions.

 

It's because we can't embrace change driven by technology, not because it's ****...

Edit, just read this back and it could be construed that I like VAR. just to be clear it's ****...

 

It’s definitely because it’s ****. Everyone has embraced goal line tech as it makes sense and doesn’t create arbitrary stoppages for a subjective decision.

 

This.

 

Maybe, but even if that is the case most of the huge mistakes var was apparently bought in for are fouls and handball which are subjective as well so you could argue that VAR isn't really going to solve anything while causing a lot of disruption.

 

I agree, but if you don't bring it in then defenders will just make themselves big and turn their backs and plead innocence when it hits their arm/hand and leave the ref with or without VAR to make a decision based on his/her view of the rules, so we will have decisions like this constantly.

Any change will be the same for both teams so the attacking team will gain an avantage but both teams can attack. The problem at the moment is some teams get decisions and some don't for the same incident, so simplifying it and getting the same correct decision consistantly is surely better than what we have now?

 

Disagree again.

I think in the vast majority of situations it will either make the situation very clear. The black and white situations, for instance.

Those decisions, such as penalty ones, it can help to give clarity to the question of intent.

 

Or get the same consistently wrong decision and stop the game for three minutes every time. No more trains home at 5ish. Could be 5:30, 6:00, who knows?

 

What made last night’s ref decide to review the situation?

Was he alerted by one of his other match officials? Did a Utd player protest?