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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Goldhawk-Road

    Goldhawk-Road Well-Known Member

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    Youth in Spain has indeed got on their bikes, DT, and many have come to the UK to work, and are excellent people. But it doesn't say much for the economy of Spain or the operation of the EU, that they cannot find work on their homeland. And the UK's gain is Spain's loss.

    In the UK, we have record employment levels. Sure, there will be the wasters and the spongers as you say, who choose to live life on the benefits and the black economy. I suspect there's an element of those types in every country in the world. Mostly, though, the young in the UK have their head screwed on. Hard work, qualifications, care about the environment and a heartening move away from the binge drinking socialising of the generation before are all reasons to be encouraged.

    Taking into account the uncertainty of the transition to independence after Brexit, the economy of the UK is doing surprisingly well. The same cannot be said of the rest of the EU or the Eurozone. It's hard to name any member states that are doing well. Probably Scandinavia and the Low Countries are best placed, but these aren't the big players.

    I've always been pro Europe, it's the federal move of the EU that I believe is not a suitable fit for the UK. I hope Europe thrives, but as I said yesterday, if it gives the bureaucrats in Brussels a bloody nose in the May EU parliamentary elections, I shan't be sorry. I think these people have behaved badly in the Brexit negotiations, particularly Selmayr who said losing N Ireland was the price Britain had to pay for voting for independence and Tusk who hoped Brexiteers would be sent to hell. I made these points, and Stan took it as a personal attack on this Brother and sister and law and nephew in Spain. Nothing could be further from the truth.

    We're coming to a critical stage of the Brexit negotiations. If the EU time limit the back stop, I think May's deal will get through and it will be positive for the UK and the EU. If not, and there is delay and calls for another referendum, I think things will get nasty very quickly.
     
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    Kashmir has been a running sore since partition, and the source of several wars. We could be in for another now, and no doubt, the UN will have to go in again and cool the hotheads.
     
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    Always found it poor the amount of people who have attempted to learn a second language. That’s one thing I don’t like about our culture is that many go abroad and expect to be able to communicate in English....and if that fails then just talk slowly and loudly...in ENGLISH !!!
     
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    On the languages thing, as someone who wasn’t a natural but enjoyed French, Spanish and Latin, taking Spanish as part of my degree even though I wasn’t particularly good, this is a disgrace. It’s really tough for schools to find good enough teachers either native or English but it’s a vicious cycle as they aren’t seen as core or important subjects. As you say, there are loads of benefits to learning a language outside of the pure novelty of being able to converse with someone in their tongue. It’s just one symptom of our increasing arrogance and isolationism.
     
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  5. sb_73

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    I was **** at French in school, scraped an old style O Level grade C, but found it much easier (though not easy) and hugely rewarding when living abroad for extended periods to learn the local language (never to a fluent level, but enough to have a conversation about more than the weather). Sadly, without frequent use, the facility fades quite quickly in my case. Although oddly I find it relatively straightforward to understand written French, Spanish and Italian nowadays, at least the gist. Language revitalisation and perhaps learning a new one are retirement projects. This trend in our education is very sad. A language to GCSE used to be compulsory.
     
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    Yeah even for me, doing GCSEs in 2006, we had to do French and I’d guess about 1/3 of my year did German/Spanish too. It’s a great life experience for someone of any age to live in a foreign-speaking country. Absolutely nothing worse than the stereotypical English family shouting loudly and slowly at their French waiter.
     
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    You're very right here. I always believed myself to be a way above average bon viveur.
    Now, after mastering Dansih, I know I am!!

    Seriously though, it's been a problem for me over here in being able to practice my Danish.
    The Danes speak such good English that they much prefer to banter with me in the Queen's and pick up a few colloquialisms along the way :)
    I stump them a little by switching to Cockney. They're then happy to with to Danish!!

    Hows the Nanny Goat me old China? Having problems getting up them apples and pears?
    Make sure that Calvin Klein keeps flowing - don't let the merchant bankers get you down :)
     
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  9. DT’s Socks

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    There is a difference Staines no universal credit over here also those numbers quoted do not take in the amount of people working on the black
    You can earn £17k casually and not be in the system
    Sorry mate but there is a vast difference in culture
    Just my social circle all of the youth are working at the moment away in various ski locations
    Yes it’s not a full blow career path and two young people I know are super qualified yet are doing seasonal jobs

    We have an entire culture in the U.K. that people depend on and abuse in many many cases

    They find work because they have to ... it’s that simple and they move to do so... bigger distances than you can imagine

    This is the truth no returns x
     
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    Agree Spain’s economy looks crazy on paper but look at how we dress our own up
    It’s illegal is most European countries to be in debt
    Credit cards have an annual fee for example
    The culture difference is miles apart between the U.K. and Europe ... or Km if you are European

    Yes the UK is or was the target destination ... it’s The biggest shop in Europe

    All said before of course by me the resident plonker ... but ponder on and you will eventually see I have made consistentl points based on my observations of a varying current lifestyle
     
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    Your posts are getting more bizarre and full of fantasy every day Paul.
    You really need to start living in the real world mate and see how real people live.
     
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    I have an image of one of your Danish colleagues asking a young English woman if he can take down to his cellar and show her his Calvin Kleins :rolleyes:

    What you say about competence to speak English may go to motivation in schools here. Most Europeans not only speak English fluently but are keen to speak English to polish their skills. I have a friend who studied German. Every time he goes over there, he speaks his rusty German to them, and they speak beautiful English back. If I was studying now, I'd probably learn Mandarin or Japanese.
     
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    I think as you get older the thought of learning a new language fits into your situation.....
    Throughout the years I’ve learnt to get by in various languages due to girlfriends..Spanish, Turkish and French (Though I’ve forgotten most of what i learnt by now)
    Now due to the job and working in areas like Southall and Hounslow I’m picking up a little bit of Urdu and Gujarati.....even some Polish.
    I tried Japanese.....found it quite difficult.
     
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    You've done a lot better than me. I never moved past O level French! I did do a school exchange with a French lad, he stayed with us, and I stayed with his family, which I found fascinating from a cultural point of view. I also did a month's French language course in Tours on the Loire when I was 18. Problem was, I got friendly with a bloke from Devon, we chatted up these two pretty girls from Solihull. The four of us spent all our time together and I came back with a Birmingham accent!
     
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    We actually had Esperanto lessons at my school, I vaguely remember attending a few in my first year but as these were at lunchtime and not timetabled they didn't hold the interest. Did French 'O' Level and Latin up to the 3rd Year which clearly influences the Mediterranean languages. I think some people just have a natural aptitude with languages unlike myself who struggles with trying to translate in my head which isn't the way to go...
     
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    Thank you for your help on this matter
     
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    Learning a language in a classroom a couple of times a week and then not talking or listening to it until you are next in the classroom is very difficult, though you can at least get the basics. Full immersion where you hear the language all the time is much easier with a bit of motivation and self discipline. I was much younger and (sometimes) unattached when I was learning, so talking to ladies was quite a good incentive. Especially in Italy.
     
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    Conduire de retour de Béziers témoin de la protestation de première main et puis je suis de retour à ma maison où je peux voir où la vie réelle est

    25 ° tarte aux bergers dans le four et maintenant va regarder un film C'est la vie

    Nous avons battu Leeds hier soir c'est la vraie vie

    Maintenant, nous allons tous pisser sur Brentford

    Mon aéroglisseur est plein d'anguilles
     
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    Je peux vous dire tout ce que vous avez besoin de plus d'un diplôme pour importer une voiture en France
     
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    I wish I'd learnt more French at school but as an ignorant 14 year old I thought I'd never need it. Having moved to Paris 8 years ago I have massively struggled with my poor French and now realize the huge benefit of speaking another language. I am also now slightly jealous of my 3 year old son who is as comfortable in English as he is in French.
     
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