In some people’s mind Bob, to be pro Palestinian and against the injustice that Israel occurs against other people and countries.....that makes you anti-Semitic.
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In some people’s mind Bob, to be pro Palestinian and against the injustice that Israel occurs against other people and countries.....that makes you anti-Semitic.
Then in my mind that would be their problem not mine.
I think both parties are totally fractured and the failure of both leaders for differing reasons to deal with that problem leaves voters totally frustrated. Any chance of a centre party gaining ground is stymied by most of them being 'remoaners' which leaves them almost as unappealing as the other two to those who want Brexit over and done with.
I still think Labour are now in a quandry as every week Corbyn's inadequacies lose them more of the non-partisan votes they will need to hope to win an outright majority, at times like this the Tories tend to pick up the fallout but in their current state Farage's new party might cost them dearly...
That's very true Staines. It's a dirty business is this politics malarkey.That’s ‘cos your not the leader of the Labour Party, Bob
A remainer party may just attract 16m people though. That would be interesting
Agree with your earlier point, might be best for Jezza to step down and hand over to McDonnell. He seems a lot stronger and comes over a lot better......and he’s read ‘Marx’
Corbyn seems to be determined to stubbornly ignore the antisemitism in Labour, so he will lose more MP's to the Umunna party. Labour is badly fractured, as you say, for this reason, and between Momentum and the Blairites. Jess Phillips was interviewed today and said that despite the fact that she was a Lefty, Corbyn never spoke to her because she was not part of his In-Crowd. I can really see Corbyn's Labour becoming a niche party on the Far Left.
May is riding high in the polls. She and the Tories' success will depend on what Brexit they deliver. A good deal or transition to WTO (properly managed in liaison with the EU to ensure minimum damage to both sides) would keep the Party together (less a few more like Lee and Grieve who may go over to Umunna). But if she sells out Brexit, she will lose the ERG who may align with Farage, and I agree with you, Sooper, that Farage would have a huge following of Brexiteers claiming injustice.
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Would you say that the ERG or harder brexiteers are in a minority within the Tory party?
If Labour try for a GE on a vote of no confidence, Umunna and Co are likely to support May, because they can't afford a GE - they are not nearly ready and would probably lose all their seats
They are a minority - the Tories have around 327 seats, I think, and the ERG may be represents 70-80 (hard to be exact because it's not a formal group). But they feel they have democracy on their sides after the referendum and that's a powerful card. Fight that, and you end up like Soubry and Wollaston
It may be a powerful card but 70 or 80 isn't going to get a majority if their leader doesnt bend to them and even then, the remaining numbers will also have to bend. That's a big ask really. They would be better off joining farages party. Was it not fighting within their own party and some policies that caused them to resign?
You've fallen into that little trap again, Goldie. He is pro-Palestinian, and anti-Israel, but that doesn't make him anti-Semitic, does it?
May knows that if she doesn't deliver a satisfactory Brexit, then either they will split off and take maybe 40 or 50 to a new party, Farage or the like, or, I suppose, they may vote their own leader in to replace May as Tory Leader. Prime Minister Mogg anyone?
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