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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. VocalMinority

    VocalMinority Well-Known Member

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    The EU have told us many ways it will affect them !! Theyve even come up with advise and plans for EU companies.

    No I didn't. 3rd party countries or EU countries building in the EU to export to Japan and EU at the same time. Japanese countries doing the same in Japan.
     
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  2. Osvaldorama

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    “Britain joined what was then the European Economic Community in 1973 as the sick man of Europe. By the late 1960s, France, West Germany and Italy — the three founder members closest in size to the UK — produced more per person than it did and the gap grew larger every year. Between 1958, when the EEC was set up, and Britain’s entry in 1973, gross domestic product per head rose 95 per cent in these three countries compared with only 50 per cent in Britain. After becoming an EEC member, Britain slowly began to catch up. Gross domestic product per person has grown faster than Italy, Germany and France in the more than 40 years since. By 2013, Britain became more prosperous than the average of the three other large European economies for the first time since 1965.”

    The above is from the FT article I shared above.

    Leave voters, do you agree or disagree that the EU has massively benefitted our country/economy?

    Not to mention the opt-outs and incentives we already have as part of THE BETTER DEAL WE ALREADY BENEFIT FROM WITH THE EU.

    Other countries look at our current deal with envy. And we are flushing it because of a few xenophobes.

    I get more distraught about it the closer it gets.
     
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  3. VocalMinority

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  4. rednright

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    Exactly why it's a shame that we left an entirely economic union to meddle in a United states of Europe project.
     
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  5. Osvaldorama

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    Don’t let facts get in the way of your daily mail rhetoric
     
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  6. rednright

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    I subscribe to the guardian actually....true. I don't subscribe to the view that you are what you read.
     
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  7. Osvaldorama

    Osvaldorama Well-Known Member

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    I wish I could subscribe to the same view, unfortunately I have seen first hand that the poison of the mail/sun/express can distort seemingly intelligent individuals into making ridiculous statements and decisions (not just limited to brexit)
     
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  8. Archers Road

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    Which ones, specifically?

    Do you work in the building industry? Would you like it to be unregulated? Do you think it ever will be, even under the most fundamentalist Tory government?
     
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  9. rednright

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    Don't get me wrong clearly there's a lot I read in the guardian I disagree with but most of the articles are pretty good. Owen Jones is a bit of a w$$$er though. I do balance it out with an occasional pass through of the daily telegraph.
     
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    If this is what the new Independent Party believes, why the **** did those eight join/stay with the Labour Party in the first place? Surely their beliefs are more conservative than labour.

     
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  11. rednright

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    I work with European procurement major projects in govt. and continually see examples of other countries flouting the regs whilst we steadfastly adhere to them. To be fair the Germans also abide by them on the whole. The level playing field is a bit like Yeovils pitch if you have ever been.
     
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  12. rednright

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    Sorry forgot to add that our construction industry standards (along with din) are the highest in Europe.
     
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    They don’t play on a slope anymore and haven’t done so for years.

    There is some irony in your use of that example.
     
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  14. San Tejón

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    I think this is particularly correct when the readers rely wholly on the paper for their political news.
    I have tried making this point before, but if you read a paper that, day after day, prints negative stories about one political party and/or person, whilst printing positive stories about the opposite political party and/or person it will have an impact on the thoughts of the reader. Especially if they believe that the paper they are reading is presenting things in an honest and neutral manner.
    The group most at risk for being duped by the papers, IMO, are the most elderly. Those that have had the most years of exposure to the paper’s way of presenting “facts” whilst being the least likely to use the internet to get a different perspective.
    My dad was a perfect example of this, constantly condemning labour for something his paper had reported, but what later turned out to be a distortion of the truth, when looked at from a neutral angle.
     
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    I’m still waiting for someone like you to tell me some things that will be better for us. I’m keen to know because we are leaving, genuinely, however on here and other media, I’m yet to hear one. Not one.

    Surely someone can tell me. Please?
     
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  16. VocalMinority

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    So rather than fix the pitch, you would rather destroy it? Have it even easier for EU nation's to lower it's standards to get a competitive advantage?

    Or are you wanting to lower our standards to match them?
     
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  17. Beddy

    Beddy Plays the percentage

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    They were, not sure they are now.
     
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    This new party...... Sorry I mean group seem a lot like the old parties....

    Fine with racism.....and austerity
     
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  20. rednright

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    Thanks for the update flt, I didn't realise...thought i'd try a footballing analogy and failed!
     
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