Off Topic The Politics Thread

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Staines R's said:
I see Toyota have started building the new Corolla at its Derby plant after a £240 million investment....funny that doesn’t get mentioned by the usual suspects when talking about the Nissan announcement......a bit like Airbus/Boeing......we’re only allowed to have bad news read out to us.
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Were those positive stories due to Brexit? Rather than any negative news being linked to Brexit, it’s anything that isn’t a clusterfuck being pointed to as a Brexit win.
 
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Just watched the interview with the NFU
Maybe the city folk and townies should be made to watch it
Key points are if we leave No deal what the impact will be on animal feed, fertiliser and pharmaceuticals add to that the impacts of loss of the market share with its hyper competitive status

Can we grow yes if the weather is good to us
Can we harvest? Not a chance

It’s project fear
 
West WindsR said:
What a win.
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Difference is Toyota is U.K. based for U.K. customers and a small thing compared to Toyota Europe. Nissan always here as a gateway to Europe ... oh it’s closing

Say again with Toyota the exception the best place to sell from with be Europe for any big company

Toyotas £260m by the way is a very small investment to these globals ... just a new product launch in the motor industry would see sums of £750m ... when companies start talking in the £bn’s then that’s a shift
Toyota bring out a new corolla every six months anyway ... never have got the styling right have they ?

Remember also Nissan and Vauxhall’s now have heavy French ownership influence
 
DT’s Socks said:
Difference is Toyota is U.K. based for U.K. customers and a small thing compared to Toyota Europe. Nissan always here as a gateway to Europe ... oh it’s closing

Say again with Toyota the exception the best place to sell from with be Europe for any big company

Toyotas £260m by the way is a very small investment to these globals ... just a new product launch in the motor industry would see sums of £750m ... when companies start talking in the £bn’s then that’s a shift
Toyota bring out a new corolla every six months anyway ... never have got the styling right have they ?

Remember also Nissan and Vauxhall’s now have heavy French ownership influence
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You’re playing to type there Paul.
No wonder they call you boys Remoaners :)
 
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DT’s Socks said:
Difference is Toyota is U.K. based for U.K. customers and a small thing compared to Toyota Europe. Nissan always here as a gateway to Europe ... oh it’s closing

Say again with Toyota the exception the best place to sell from with be Europe for any big company

Toyotas £260m by the way is a very small investment to these globals ... just a new product launch in the motor industry would see sums of £750m ... when companies start talking in the £bn’s then that’s a shift
Toyota bring out a new corolla every six months anyway ... never have got the styling right have they ?

Remember also Nissan and Vauxhall’s now have heavy French ownership influence[/QUOTE

Oh dear yet more remoaner crap, don’t you ever learn.
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I see that over in the land of cheese and wine that the locals are now calling for FREXIT, burning the EU flag as well !!!
I await our resident French expert’s answer on this latest crisis affecting his beloved EU, I await his reply explaining how even the French wish to escape the corrupt club which they helped create.
I bet I don’t get one from him.
 
Quite Possibly Raving said:
See this post from a while back for a list that took about 5 mins of research. No doubt a more comprehensive list out there somewhere. Many companies will set up offices for regulatory reasons. Many will actually move jobs ie Project Reality
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So companies are not moving out of the UK, but some are moving departments working for European clients to the Continent. No real surprise and the numbers are not huge and some will address transition and be temporary. There's a certain amount of hedging going on. What about Continentally based businesses wanting to work for UK clients. Thay will move people in. We still have one of the highest employment rates in Europe and no sign of that diminishing.
 
sb_73 said:
Car demand is I think more influenced by confusion about what will be taxed extra in a few years. After years of being encouraged to buy diesel now we are being told to not to, but there is pitiful infrastructure for electric/hybrid alternatives. Result, together with Brexit uncertainty, people put off big ticket purchases. Similar with house sales, but they are due for a downward correction whatever.

Italy’s national debt would be its national debt in € or lire. I am reading Varoufakis’ book about his negotiations with the EU during the Greece crisis. It’s dense, self serving but amusing as well. Greece could have defaulted, could have left the €, could have left the EU. But all these options were worse than the admittedly harsh deal they eventually got. These countries have deep structural economic problems which the EU has masked rather than worsened I think. But the €, I agree, was/is not a good idea as it has been implemented. It needs much more economic policy integration to work as a real single currency.

The EU might change its position at 11.55pm CET on 29th March. But it might not need to.
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On your last comment Stan, it suggests that the EU has no need for the £39 bn and are entirely sanguine as to trade disruption and redundancies in The Low Countries, and Germany, and sending Ireland into a downward financial spiral such that they need EU grants. I cannot see it.
 
Staines R's said:
There is nothing positive happening in this country according to remainers......the world as we know it is coming to an end.
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Its all guesswork mate, but the odds must say it will be worse post Brexit rather than better, though it will assuage the principled objections of some. And as you well know, if it all goes tits up it will be the poor who suffer most. And if post Brexit Britain is brilliant it will be poor who benefit least, if at all.

So what’s the programme mate? You get rid of the injustices of the EU, what comes then? Obviously you don’t want the Mogg/Johnson ultra free market capitalism route. So we leave the EU and how does life improve for the downtrodden lumpen proletariat?
GoldhawkRoad said:
On your last comment Stan, it suggests that the EU has no need for the £39 bn and are entirely sanguine as to trade disruption and redundancies in The Low Countries, and Germany, and sending Ireland into a downward financial spiral such that they need EU grants. I cannot see it.
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That’s why I said five to midnight. Who has bigger bollocks, if you’ll pardon the expression, May or the 27? Don’t forget, the EU is used to last minute deal making. They might even be prepared for a really bad no deal to sharpen the focus and see us asking for terms a few weeks later. That’s what they did with the (admittedly much less important) Canada treaty, after the Walloons rejected it.
 
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sb_73 said:
Its all guesswork mate, but the odds must say it will be worse post Brexit rather than better, though it will assuage the principled objections of some. And as you well know, if it all goes tits up it will be the poor who suffer most. And if post Brexit Britain is brilliant it will be poor who benefit least, if at all.

So what’s the programme mate? You get rid of the injustices of the EU, what comes then? Obviously you don’t want the Mogg/Johnson ultra free market capitalism route. So we leave the EU and how does life improve for the downtrodden lumpen proletariat?.
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To be fair G, the odds said we’d never be in this position of leaving anyway so I can’t read too much into them.
This is a massive step into the unknown, it could be a terrible decision (as some say) or it could be the best decision ever made.....only time will tell, if of course it’s ever allowed to happen.
Of course my principled world after Brexit ain’t gonna happen and yes, the poor and needy could suffer....but they are suffering now under the EU so I’m hoping some will trickle down....as long as the ****s up top let it......I really don’t think it will be any worse for many.
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
You ask whether Nissan will be influenced by a no deal. I don't know, I'm not a soothsayer but no doubt you'll profess to be. I don't even know the reason why Nissan may have put plans for the X trail on hold. They haven't said, but I imagine at least part of the reason is that it's diesel.

You make it sound as if my Leave position is causing the people of the North East to lose their jobs. As a reminder, almost every area of the North East voted to leave the EU.

PS Have you looked at Italy's economy recently, or are you blind to its recession? The Euro was wholly misconceived, and since this is the backbone of the EU, the whole concept is an abortion. Germany and France did well out of the Euro and now even Germany is on the cusp of recession. The UK economy is faring well, particularly considering the turmoil of leaving the sinking ship. How the EU would love to keep our deep pocket
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Have I touched a raw nerve? Why so sensitive all of a sudden? I didn't ask you what you knew. I asked you for your opinion. Fine - part of the reason is diesel. Your refusal to acknowledge that No deal Brexit may have a part as well tells me and others here all we need to know. You are not the creator of the No Deal exit. Others far more important than you or I are responsible for that stratagem. It wasn't a dig at you as I do understand much of the concern about the EU, Brexiteers have expressed albeit in exaggerated terms. I simply asked you to express some concern for any possible casualties of a No Deal Brexit. But as usual, you've avoided that. Pity as they voted for it. Would you not prefer to avoid such consequences? Because in spite of the current division between supporters of both sides it is for the vast majority I suggest a simple difference of appreciation of the possible consequences that leads one person to vote Remain and another to Leave.
 
sb_73 said:
Its all guesswork mate, but the odds must say it will be worse post Brexit rather than better, though it will assuage the principled objections of some. And as you well know, if it all goes tits up it will be the poor who suffer most. And if post Brexit Britain is brilliant it will be poor who benefit least, if at all.

So what’s the programme mate? You get rid of the injustices of the EU, what comes then? Obviously you don’t want the Mogg/Johnson ultra free market capitalism route. So we leave the EU and how does life improve for the downtrodden lumpen proletariat?

That’s why I said five to midnight. Who has bigger bollocks, if you’ll pardon the expression, May or the 27? Don’t forget, the EU is used to last minute deal making. They might even be prepared for a really bad no deal to sharpen the focus and see us asking for terms a few weeks later. That’s what they did with the (admittedly much less important) Canada treaty, after the Walloons rejected it.
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Yes, the EU wants to make things look as scary as possible to scare the living **** out of the Parliamentary Remain MP's. It's a good strategy for them. We'll see which MP's fold under that pressure.
 
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YorkshireHoopster said:
Have I touched a raw nerve? Why so sensitive all of a sudden? I didn't ask you what you knew. I asked you for your opinion. Fine - part of the reason is diesel. Your refusal to acknowledge that No deal Brexit may have a part as well tells me and others here all we need to know. You are not the creator of the No Deal exit. Others far more important than you or I are responsible for that stratagem. It wasn't a dig at you as I do understand much of the concern about the EU, Brexiteers have expressed albeit in exaggerated terms. I simply asked you to express some concern for any possible casualties of a No Deal Brexit. But as usual, you've avoided that. Pity as they voted for it. Would you not prefer to avoid such consequences? Because in spite of the current division between supporters of both sides it is for the vast majority I suggest a simple difference of appreciation of the possible consequences that leads one person to vote Remain and another to Leave.
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I just thought since it's your modus operandi to include personal jibes, you'd appreciate some back. I didn't mean to upset you.

Of course, I want as few adverse consequences as possible. It has not helped having a prime minister who can't negotiate and a Parliament that cannot reach a consensus. The EU are constantly searching for weaknesses it can exploit. Parliament has to hold its nerve to get the best deal.
 
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