Off Topic The Politics Thread

He's spent his whole political career rebelling against his party leaders, he obviously hasn't adjusted to the role reversal...

 

He's too busy meeting Hamas, Hezbollah and the IRA to deal with matters of national importance

 

I didn't think Jezza wanted No deal but he is going the right way about.

 

Maybe he does. If anything is going to bring the government down it will be that and he will expect to cash in.

 

Hang on there ...Corbyn asked for reassurances that No deal would be removed from the table . She refused.

Cable said do not contact unless it is to say No deal is removed from the table. She rang him to say that would not happen.

The one clause the two main opposition parties demand ...and most of the rest of us too...she won't compromise on.

Not sure how you can spin this other than she is angling to take us crashing out without a deal.

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Wonder what the national pride level currently sits at? What a disgrace both main parties are

 

I'm not spinning anything and my names not Stan?
Why would anyone give away a bargaining chip like a 'no deal'. If she takes it off the table we might as well give the EU the keys to the Bank of England and our laws.

 

Fake news.

 

The boys doing the paper review tonight said it was a trap for Corbyn. If he went it makes it look like May's in charge and if he stays away it makes him look like he is only interested in himself. A no win. TBH May has never been interested in Cable or the Scottish bloke before.

 

Lazy comment?

 

This is a Tory mess. A referendum brought by the Tories and fought over between two Tory campaigns. A bit late for the stupid old hag to try and bring all the others into the conversation. She is a ****.

 

Are we any further forward? I actually cringe with embarrassment when watching 'live at the commons'. That room of people run our country??!!! I have honestly witnessed better behaviour in a kids nursery. Other countries must watch that and think what a shambles. I think the only chance the opposition ever had was if the DUP were to side with them, but hey, money talks. I don't see this as a victory or loss for anyone. What happens now? Will the ERG just cave in? Am I right in understanding that if the government had lost last night then they had 14 days to prepare for a 2nd vote on the confidence motion?

 

That's exactly what I witnessed watching it but I suppose people need to make a headline to suit agendas.

 

Are you cut off from the rest of the world? Corbyn stood up in the Commons and started putting down his own red lines on participating in conversations about the way forward. Mainly that ‘no deal’ must not be an option. It was grandstanding bullshit, anybody who has been following this knows that the Commons has the ability to prevent a no deal, he doesn’t need a promise from May.

I don’t know what gallery he was playing to, certainly not the electorate which just wants things sorted. He is part of the problem. The man who goes on and on about starting dialogues with Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran etc (not requiring them to renounce murder before he does so) but can’t bring himself to talk to people he doesn’t agree with on ideological grounds. Found out.

He needs to be honest with himself and his supporters. All versions of ‘soft Brexit’ are worse than staying in, because you play by most of the EU rules with no say over them. So the choice should be between staying in and a Canada style trade deal - which Tusk offered a year ago. The former does not deliver on the referendum or ‘taking back control’. The latter guarantees short term at least economic problems, especially for the service sector. That is the choice we should have been given two and a half years ago. Instead we have wasted time in some fantasy world where we can have the benefits of both staying and leaving which was never on the table and never will be.

 

Wrong. There are many that are to blame. May/ERG/Remoaners/EU/enemy within/Olly Robbins. Just to blame the Tories shows how little people still know about this.

 

The little people had nothing to do with this

 

Because just 2 words? I guess so. But Sky reported Corbyn ready to talk with May at any time, but wanted her to withdraw no deal as an option before positive discussions could go ahead. Other Opposition parties have said much the same.

 

Bloody hell Bob welcome back to the.... whatever. Nothing has changed other than the date getting closer.
couple of points... DUP would never side with Corbyn. That is not about money. You are correct re 14 days but it never would have happened.
This is how it goes.
A 'no deal' is the default option. Nothing has to be agreed or done. In some respects it's the easiest option. It is written in law that we leave on March 29th. When MP's triggered article 50 (which 80% did) they all knew or should have known what it meant, The Chukka's and Cables can moan all they want but it's unto the government to decide on scrapping a no deal (which they shouldn't as it's her best bargaining chip). To change it they would need to change the law which is difficult (especially as they knew what the document was about). If they did this it would constitutionally bad and goes to show how they are putting their self interests first.
That's why I took the beer bet with Watford as other than an extension, we will be leaving. Maybe I was wrong, we shall see. Asking for more time is an excuse for a second vote.
Problem is now:
. If May goes for a soft Brexit, she will split the party. The huge amount of Tory members wouldn't stand for it
Basically she would kill the party and be known for that and she won't let that happen.
. If she goes for a hard Brexit the 80% of remainers in the house will try and change the law to stop it. With bercow in charge, they would probably get their wish. This would then leave her in zombie land and a GE would be needed. As I said constitutionally it would be a nightmare
. Labour can't rely on Corbyn who wants out of the EU.
. May won't want a referendum as it will be seen as a betrayal and the Tories would get hammered at next election.
. Labour don't really want an election as over 100 seats were in a leave constituency.

I don't have the answers other than stay calm don't give up a no deal as it works in our favour for bargaining.
What is being overlooked is that the EU is flatlining. Germany and Italy near recession. Greece Poland France all struggling. They will want a deal as it could break them up. We just need strong leadership and cool heads.

 

Seems somewhat stupid and childish to agree to engaging in talks about the way forward, but first demanding that one such option is discounted. Should have an open mind.

The “lazy comment” was somewhat tongue in cheek as it too was only two words in length.

 

I’m not saying others aren’t to blame but this mess was brought about entirely by the Tories in an attempt to stop voters and politicians defecting to UKIP. The dreadful, unimaginative and naive Remain campaign was Tory-led and the quite brilliant in some ways, but ultimately illegal Leave campaign(s) was Tory-led. The decision to have a GE when Corbyn was apparently weakest was a Tory one and she lost her majority, the stupid cow, to now have to be propped up by hardline Irish lunatics. This whole last three years has been a huge ****ing Tory farce and on paper I should be more Tory than most.