The Murdoch thing is spin. He didn't win those elections. He switched to whoever he thought would win the election. They just sailed with the wind. And the government of the day is obviously going to get more media "support." No such thing as bad publicity etc. The government is the one that sets the agenda, makes policy. Of course they will dominate the news. Corbyn's biggest obstacle is that he is far left. He might be the leader of the opposition but the Blairites get favourable coverage, he gets similar coverage to the Tory right wing. The TV media especially hate old school left or right wing politics and love centrism. He is attacked because of what he represents, not personally, as the figurehead of far left politics then he is the one that is seen as the figurehead for the momentum yobs, the overly PC hard left (nothign wrong with PC in general but this lot want offence made illegal for anyone but themselves.) So it is more the position he heads up in the spectrum that he takes the flak for. In a similar way (although Farage himself gets a lot of hammer) Farage/UKIP pre Batton took most of the flak for the far right space in the spectrum. Now that has virtually gone they have had to move inward attacking the right wing of the Tories, that while definitely right wing are not fascists nor extremists but now treated as such and labelled as such willingly by those on the left. These are the top10 in Vuelio's political influencer list. People might try and point out that some of these are newspapers however I would suggest the reason they are on there is because of the volume of content the TV shows from them. Most people only know what the Mail is saying because there is such a fuss made of it and the TV making us aware of it. Even Guido (Paul Staines) gets his stuff commented on the BBC. George Osborne's tweets and Headlines are constantly shown on TV news. Tom Newton Dunn is constantly on TV as are his headlines. Geordie Grieg (and his predecessor Dacre) are constantly getting their headlines on TV. Everyone in that top 10 gets a significant amount of airtime beemed into every home all day long. The top 3 are BBC, The 4th is ITV. The whole of the top 50 is littered by people that might indicate that new media or print media or radio are mixing it up but when you look into it all of those other media influencers are actually go to commentariat or favourite content for screen media. For example Owen Jones is just outside the top 10. He is busy on twitter, he has lots of followers, He writes for the Guardian but he is constantly on TV which is where he gets his mass audience. John Humphreys might head up the Today program but who listens to it? However the Today program is very often in the screen media news segments and thus a large audience suddenly knows what happens there. Polly Toynbee - always on the TV. Iain Dale - always on the TV. Fraser Nelson - always on the TV. Everybody in the top 50 is either on the TV, guests on the TV or has their content constantly used by the TV. It has a huge reach. Newspapers on their own no longer do directly. If TV and social media stopped showing us what nasty thing is in the daily mail then not many would even know these days. Laura Kuenssberg Andrew Marr Andrew Neil Robert Peston George Osborne Tom Newton-Dunn Faisal Islam Paul Staines Geordie Greig Boris Johnson
Not over Brexit. 80% of members support a second referendum. Eventually that will begin to erode support for him as he continues to keep one off the table. Not saying it'll happen but it's yet another factor in the cluster**** that is Brexit. Vin
He said today that might be one way to go. As I said above, he is following his own party policy which wanted first a No Confidence vote and only then a second referendum.
Regarding his stance on Brexit though, he is somewhat disconnected from the grass roots of the Labour Party. Whilst there may have been a high % of leave voters in some Labour heartlands, the party membership is generally opposed to Brexit, and by quite high matgins.
He also said today to Labour MPs that this is the first of a series of No Confidence motions (apologies, read it on Twitter earlier and can't find the link). I suspect he's desperately trying to kick the issue down the road by keeping to the the letter of the party policy and thus avoiding having to support a referendum while still saying he might. Vin
We didn't vote on any of this though. Also the majority of people didn't vote for Brexit and you said yourself you can't extrapolate the vote. You're being hypocritical by saying that the majority of people want it.
Yep, agreed I think the government will win. Which says a lot about Labour’s current credibility. I think Corbyn should resign if they can’t even topple the Tories at this low ebb.
This argument has been developed since the vote, not before. Another repeated mantra to convince us it is true. The slip said leave or remain. leave got more votes so we leave. The government leaflet (independent of campaigning we have been told so many times) said that leaving would mean leaving the single market and customs union. As for the "majority" not voting for Brexit. Yes they did either themselves or by not bothering. This has been a tactic since 24th June 2016 to try and represent those that didn't turn out as being remainers. Maybe every GE from now on we can have mandatory voting if you want to pull that argument. I'm not being hypocritical at all. I answered a post a while back (month or 2) on here that tried to suggest the majority didn;t want Brexit in the same way I have here. If they were that bothered they should have voted. They didn;t. That is how democracy works, those that don't vote have to be assumed to be happy to go along with the result.
The TV pointed out very early last night that he should have waited until May presented her plans to parliament of the next step. Now he loses this vote and she can present whatever she wants to. If Labour had waited she might have presented something that the DUP and some Tories might vote against the government.
The exact opposite of what you said before. You even had a moral crusade against this line of thinking.
If I did then I must've been drunk because I have never followed that line of thinking. My line has always been those that vote are what counts and those that don't have to go along with the result.
I agree entirely. The only people to blame for the result of the referendum are those in charge of the Remain campaign, who didn’t do anything like enough to point out the dangers of leaving.
You said that nobody could say what people who didn't vote wanted based on who voted and wrote many paragraphs on the subject.
