Now can that tw2t Olly Robbins F22k off. He has failed and that should be the end of the remaining muppet.
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I maintain it’s a wonderful theatre
You will not be allowed to have Brexit
The final act will see the puppet May falling on her sword as scripted
Article 50 will be stopped
You will not be allowed to have Brexit
The final act will see the puppet May falling on her sword as scripted
Article 50 will be stopped
Agree, the true workings of British democracy are clearly visible through this thin charade.
The puppet? I'm sure that's what the Brexiteers believed she was all the time - to be manipulated to do their bidding and take the flak for the consequences once the mood of the country turned against those responsible for Brexit. It's incredible how selectively poor most people's memory is. To listen to what is said about her now she never did anything at all to further the cause of Brexit, Wat the hell was the first 18 months of posturing, sabre-rattling and threatening of 'our friends' in Europe about if she were not fighting the UK's corner.
"our friends" sounds like how Jezza describes terrorists.
Talking of Jezza... he seems to have backed himself into a corner here. May will win the VONC and he will have egg on his face. Just like the 100 Labour MP's calling for a losers vote. Interesting listening to some Labour MP's tonight panicking because they have large leave seats.
Talking of Jezza... he seems to have backed himself into a corner here. May will win the VONC and he will have egg on his face. Just like the 100 Labour MP's calling for a losers vote. Interesting listening to some Labour MP's tonight panicking because they have large leave seats.
Probably nearer the truth than her official account...
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What a close vote - a real mail-biter.
And yet my expectation is that the DUP will prop up the Conservatives (they said they would - I guess it remains to be seen if any of the conservatives vote against their own government) and that Mr Corbyn's VONC will fail
And yet my expectation is that the DUP will prop up the Conservatives (they said they would - I guess it remains to be seen if any of the conservatives vote against their own government) and that Mr Corbyn's VONC will fail
May and her puppets are talking about 'reaching out to senior parliamentarians' (not the Leader of Her Majesty's Opposition, then?), but she continues to stick to her red lines, effectively ruling out a permanent Customs Union or a Norway option. She truly is a 'bloody difficult woman', stubborn to the point of recklessness. Nothing will change, meaning that if she remains in control of the process, there will be only two possible outcomes - either a damaging second referendum, or a catastrophic No Deal exit on 29th March. Sadly, she is highly likely to win today's VONC, so it must be hoped that Parliament can wrest control of the process by other means and come up with a compromise solution.
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So Barnier and Merkel have both just said there is still room for some changes but it's up to May. 
Why give her the chance to do nothing again. I would rather hear that nothing will change so we can get out of this gangster gang.
We are so weak. Germany is heading for recession as is Italy, Greece. Poland is having problems as is France. They need our trade and money (as we do theirs). We should just go for the Free trade deal and scrap Mays crap 'half in' deal.
I still believe that if we got rid of May and had a leader that went in and said "we are leaving on March 29th on WTO". They would be running after us for a deal. The Eurozone is not in good shape and we should not bow down to them.
Why give her the chance to do nothing again. I would rather hear that nothing will change so we can get out of this gangster gang.
We are so weak. Germany is heading for recession as is Italy, Greece. Poland is having problems as is France. They need our trade and money (as we do theirs). We should just go for the Free trade deal and scrap Mays crap 'half in' deal.
I still believe that if we got rid of May and had a leader that went in and said "we are leaving on March 29th on WTO". They would be running after us for a deal. The Eurozone is not in good shape and we should not bow down to them.
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F22king idiot.
But it doesn't work like that. The next time the opposition want to put one over on a government, they will quote this precedent. It's the same in the law courts. A court makes a novel decision, that creates the precedent for future cases.
The problem for May is that if she goes for a soft Brexit, she risks splitting her party because there are 80-100 Tory MP's that could split off. And then there's the loss of votes at the next general election.
If we do stay in, there'll be a huge bill for the UK to pay. The EU will insist we lose all our previous privileges and we will be seen as deep pocket - because Germany and Italy are sliding into recession, Spain and Greece are economic basket cases, Eastern Europe will be demanding EU grants to pay for their country's modernisation and France is burning and has never been a big funder of the EU anyway. What a bunch of mugs we'll be.
I agree with you about May. She causes a problem (failure in the general election, weak negotiating with the EU) and then everyone praises her for her stoicism in fighting from a weakened position.
I could see big problems if Parliament, in connivance with an biased speaker, wrests this issue from an elected government.
The EU have already said that we would retain all the terms of our current membership. If the Article 50 deadline were to be extended to facilitate a further referendum, and we voted to stay, nothing has changed.
I saw a French minister said something like that last summer, but they'll get their pound of flesh one way or another, and we'll be outvoted because we're not part of the Euro block. We'll be in the club where big decisions are made by an inner "Euro" club.
Totally agree they will have us over a barrel. The EU will punish us and will make sure over time they move companies out and invest less in the UK. Don't listen to the useful idiots who believe we can simply carry on as before. It will never happen.
It’s like stitching up a gangster (which the EU basically are) and expecting them to trust you after.
We really need to get out now as damage has been done.