It can happen to both sides but don't deny the effect of hardline rhetoric in the media. this was influenced by the brexit debate. that doesnt mean you shouldn't have a debate but you need to learn lessons, not bury your head in the sand.
I got lazy with the chart. Just fed the percentages in as I couldn't be bothered with GDP increases. I have that somewhere on my HD but couldn;t find it last night inbetween poker hands. I'll amend it....then maybe concede I was wrong or that I was right. Not too sure on your assertion that Germany is expected to grow. Lots of people are expecting them to go into recession, be it because of US policy or anything else. UK is not expected to go into recession in the next Q or 2. EDIT: Looking at GDP is quite hard to ally as you have to change it into a single currency and dependent on which currency you use it then contradicts growth figures. For instance in 2015 the UK GDP shrunk in $ terms even though its growth is reported as being 2.3%. As a crude version in $bn GDP - figures taken from countryeconomy.com UK 2009 - 2403, 2017 - 2600 so in that period UK grew by 8.2% Ger 2009 - 3426, 2017 - 3700 So in that period Germany grew by 8.0% So in this 9 year period after the financial crisis (using $ GDP) 2009 - 2017 The UK grew very marginally faster than Germany. Add on this year so far and the gap widens (although still marginal.) Yes if you do this in £ or in Euro the results might be different. I am not really arguing that we are going great guns, just that the narrative of us "lagging behind" is wrong. Over that time we are neck and neck yet they choose to ignore when we were ahead and they were stagnating to prove their point. Who knows where this will go. I am just questioning the narrative on this.
Really the fault lies with those in the Tory party opposed to May´s Brexit Deal. the likes of Mogg, Johnson, the hard line Brexiteers. The likes of Dominic Glieve will support May if push comes to shove. So if things go belly up, they are to blame and should hang themselves in shame for letting down their party, leader and ultimately the country at large. As for the Labour Party it is their right to oppose May, they are the oposition. The fault likes squarely at the steps of Moggy and friends.
Jo Cox's murder should not be allied with the Brexit referendum at all. She was murdered by a loon from Britain First which is a fascist organisation started before anyone even thought about actually offering a referendum. To try and present it as such is the same as trying to say Islam is to blame for terrorists who use Islam as their justification. Neither Brexit or Islam is to blame for nutters that do terrible things.
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-theresa-may-brexit-fulfil-will-of-the-people Naturally Putin believes that sticking with a single decision is democracy. It really is his kind of democracy.
It would be closer to blaming IS for promoting the ideals of sharia law and then being portrayed all over out media for our nutters to pick up on it. it existed beforehand but the attention gives it more spread and weight. and the seeming popularity gives it legitimacy.
No it wouldn't. IS is closer to Britain First in that example. Brexit is closer to Islam in that example. The nutter = the nutter in that example. Islam is not IS. Brexit is not Britain First. Islam does not promote killing. Brexit does not promote killing. IS has had much more publicity than Britain first. Neither Brexit nor Islam should be held as responsible for maniacal organisations and their nutter followers, whether they claim to act on their behalf or not*. It is just convenient to say "nothing to do with Islam" (which is true) in one case yet "everything to do with Brexit" for the other. This is why the debate goes like it does. People have no scruples when trying to attribute something tragic like this to something they don't support. *I have no idea if the Britain First chap claimed to be acting on Brexit's behalf or not.
That’s a very good question Ides. I can only imagine that the proportion of what my mum would call daft ‘apporths is far higher in the general population than it is on this board
I I Was saying that IS was Britain first. But Brexit clearly promoted Britain first, and therefore promoted killing, which was my point. Wasnt intentional but it did it. Some evidence to show it was promoted by the Brexit debate: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=GB&q=Britain first
We can ignore it, in exactly the same way as any parent would ignore it if their kids voted to have ice cream for breakfast dinner and tea. Brexit is a bloody stupid idea, that has now become obvious to all but the most stubborn. Time to bin it off before any more damage is done to the fabric of our disunited Kingdom
I have to disagree with some of this: Islamic terrorism is all to do with Islam. Islam directly influences the jihadists into believing they are indulging in a holy, justified war and that they will end up in paradise. It's the driver. Vin
Why does that prove it was promoted by the Brexit debate? The peak there is when she died. Is it not possible that when people heard Britain First mentioned they googled what it was? And is that 100 searches in the whole of June 2016? If so are we seriously using a peak of 100 searches in a month as being related to Brexit rather than being as a result of people hearing the name after the murder and seeing what it was? I'm not sure what you are saying that graph proves.
Stupid woman! https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cambridgeshire-46636932 getting done for doing 41 in a 30 mph zone is one thing, lying about it getting done for perverting the course of justice is stupid!
No it's 100%. It's saying there was 4 times more people looking up Britain first during Brexit than before. And yes I am directly saying that people looked up Britain first after hearing about brexit. That's the definition of promotion. Brexit promoted Britain First.
what would Spike make of today's political correctness? (I'm expecting a life ban for posting this, but don't do the crime if you can't do the time)
