Firstly I love your saying "Jezzbollah"
classic!I have just listened to that weak puppet Brexit secretary. God she certainly has appointed a "yesman Maybot droid" If was the EU I wouldn't change a thing. We are so weak in these negotiations.
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classic!I have just listened to that weak puppet Brexit secretary. God she certainly has appointed a "yesman Maybot droid" If was the EU I wouldn't change a thing. We are so weak in these negotiations.
Completely agree
There isn't a political party I could vote for right now.
Piss poor, the lot of them.
I think that's broadly right. I set out below quite a useful piece on the Fixed Parliament Act published by BBC news a couple of days ago. Simple or certain, it isn't, but it does support your view that theoretically, it may be a weapon in the hands of the rebels against May. Whether the ERG would vote against May's government on a Corbyn VONC I don't know. It's a dangerous strategy, so I think not. Splits within the Tory Party would never be healed.
The ERG could form some sort of unofficial alliance with the DUP which would emasculate the government and force May to listen to the rebels on the Brexit deal. In practice, she would be mad now, having had this shot across her bow, not to be inclusive of the rebels and the DUP. She begins to sound as if she's persuaded that nothing but a legally enforceable and unilateral termination to the Ireland backstop is acceptable. She must go to the EU and get his. Her leverage? A possible move to WTO instead which would mean the EU would not get the £39bn which they are desperate for. She HAS to use this leverage, and in my view, should have done before now and perhaps we would not have found ourselves in this position.
"Under FTPA, the Commons could remove a government by a simple majority, if it passed a motion in a specified form, and that would start the clock on a 14-day deadline for finding a successor government capable of commanding confidence (motions with different wording would not engage the act).
The prime minister would have to advise the Queen who might be best placed to head a new government, and they would then have to submit themselves to a confidence motion, to show that they could command a majority in the Commons.
If no new government emerged, the Speaker would then sign a certificate, and the Queen would have to dissolve Parliament.
No election needed?
There's a separate process to get a two-thirds majority to hold an early election, so the big change is that the Act ends the ability of the prime minister to simply call an election at a moment of their choice, and decouples the removal of a government from the holding of an election.
This week, the Commons Public Administration and Constitutional Affairs Committee (PACAC) suggested that MPs would have other options. They argue that any Commons motion which withdrew the confidence of the House from a government should lead to its resignation, because without confidence it would have no right to govern, and in particular no right to levy taxes.
And this is no mere piece of hair-splitting. What it means is that it would - if the PACAC view holds - be possible to oust a government without triggering that 14-day deadline.
So there would be a longer interlude with a caretaker administration keeping the machinery of state ticking over, during which a new government might, or might not, be formed, perhaps with a couple of candidates and party combinations trying their luck.
The difference is that there would be no prospect of Mr Speaker signing that dreaded certificate to dissolve Parliament, so there would not be a rigid time limit. Of course, eventually it might become clear that no government could be formed - and then, perhaps FTPA might kick in, with a motion to dissolve Parliament.
It is not clear that the committee's analysis, though based on a painstaking inquiry with ministers and constitutional experts, redefines the constitutional position. But it might, and if it did, it could matter a great deal.
One of the regular features of the Brexit process has been the way apparent procedural small print like the Grieve Amendment or applicability of the Humble Address procedure has emerged to shape events - and this might provide another such occurrence.
At the moment a successful no confidence motion looks a fairly distant prospect; either the DUP would have to vote alongside Jeremy Corbyn to remove Theresa May, or (perhaps "and") a number of Conservative MPs would have to do so.
Either of these seems unlikely, but the new-look no confidence system does provide the DUP or Tory rebels with the potential excuse that they were voting to remove this prime minister, not the Conservative government.
It would be a fig-leaf, at least.
More and more certain now that this has been orchestrated from the outset
May was probably given a brief by a higher power or collective to run the whole thing into the ground to extend Article 50 and on the way to influence and bend the protest back into line
It’s a world focus remember
Extremely powerful influences behind this I believe
Only way I can compute the void of rationale
Having the whole thing played out in the media who themselves do not want harmony in any way
Such is the way of the culture of the UK now
May was probably given a brief by a higher power or collective to run the whole thing into the ground to extend Article 50 and on the way to influence and bend the protest back into line
It’s a world focus remember
Extremely powerful influences behind this I believe
Only way I can compute the void of rationale
Having the whole thing played out in the media who themselves do not want harmony in any way
Such is the way of the culture of the UK now
I listened to someone on Sky earlier and he said the "EU are so desperate for that money",
No doubt about that, Ellers. Germany won't make up all the shortfall, which means member countries will receive less money than anticipated which will aggravate some already tense relations with Eastern European states. The closer we get to next March without a deal, the more it will focus EU minds - and on trade too. It's easy for Germany Industry to say, we trust the politicians etc, but when they start having to prepare to make redundancies in Munich etc, that will change
Sorry, I didn't see that you already mentioned "desperate for money". He said that tables have turned now because of May's vulnerability and we need to let them know that they won’t get any money and us going on WTO unless they start changing. He said they weaponised the backstop so we should do the same with the money.
Sadly though Goldie I am hearing nothing but MP’s saying they will not allow a ‘no deal’ Brexit, which doesn’t help our negotiations? I also think that May is too weak to get anything from the EU. TBH why should they give us anything? We all agreed it, then wanted changes.
Labour are incredibly weak on No deal. They'd pay up and give up all our bargaining power and hope the EU would treat us generously, but the fact is, there are many in the EU desperate to make an example of the UK to discourage others from leaving.
May has been weak, but she does have one more strength now (in addition to £39bn and our buying power from their exporters). She can tell the EU if they don't help with an end date to the backstop, the deal won't get the approval of Parliament. Which is true. We'll move into a stalemate, and then it's who blinks first. I still think the EU has more to lose from a No Deal. We have to stay strong on it and prepare for it. The EU is notorious for climbing down and compromising at the 23rd hour of the last day. They'll do that here.
Watching the EU on screen and yes with my cynical filters set high I believe you can still dignity coupled with a essence of professionalism
On the whole the Europeans do report the facts first in a far more responsible tone
Switch to SKY etc and there you have it in stark form ... Self Obsessed reporters whipping it up every chance they can. Couple that with the fact that this theatre requires the MP’s, Analysts and even Newspapers to perform in circus you can begin to understand the spectrum of the public’s opinion. It’s all very clever and deeper imo
I believe Corbyn understands this more than most and good on him for his level headed patience
The bloke to me represents the return and future of public servants where egos and individuals goals and worlds are no longer acceptable
The past year I have seen within the business I work in a rapidly increasing trend to shut down any fluff or individual antics regarding self importance
I hope of course this trend spreads and emphasising keywords with a coating of drama ****s off completely.
Shades of grey I hope will be replaced with black and white plus of course unique splashes of creative colour ... literary
On the whole the Europeans do report the facts first in a far more responsible tone
Switch to SKY etc and there you have it in stark form ... Self Obsessed reporters whipping it up every chance they can. Couple that with the fact that this theatre requires the MP’s, Analysts and even Newspapers to perform in circus you can begin to understand the spectrum of the public’s opinion. It’s all very clever and deeper imo
I believe Corbyn understands this more than most and good on him for his level headed patience
The bloke to me represents the return and future of public servants where egos and individuals goals and worlds are no longer acceptable
The past year I have seen within the business I work in a rapidly increasing trend to shut down any fluff or individual antics regarding self importance
I hope of course this trend spreads and emphasising keywords with a coating of drama ****s off completely.
Shades of grey I hope will be replaced with black and white plus of course unique splashes of creative colour ... literary
Good at last you are beginning to see the different levels between serious professionals and self obsessed lying ****s puppeteered by a comical media service.
Once you have had the chipset reprogrammed you are free to run in the fields again
Run and jump Into Springtime
You are free of tag-nuts
If it means they won't get their money, I think the EU will find a way of setting a time limit - 5 years, 10 years - on the backstop.
Avez-vous une idée des cultures européennes? Tienes alguna idea de las culturas ?
Verstehen Sie jeden europäischen Lebensstil?
Pensi davvero che l'Inghilterra è meglio?
Você acha que Ronaldo tem mangetout suas calças Rodney?
Les conservateurs bleus mangent avec les autres moutons dans les Wetherspoons
No one wants to stand up to these bullies. The thing is we all know what happens to bullies in the end?
So EU says it will not negotiate deal including NI backstop. Macron has now said EU won't open legal agreement. I also see that Ardvark bloke enjoys the limelight at the moment. And said "why don't you extend article 50". Mmm
We seriously must say goodbye now.
We seriously must say goodbye now.
Interesting that slow house price growth is being blamed on Brexit (presumably transition, since it doesn't happen until March). Whenever I speak to people not moving home, they blame high stamp duty.