Brexit Vote

[Tobes]

whereas i fear a no deal but have thought it was the likeliest outcome for a year and now struggle to see any other outcome.

No U.K. Govt will oversee that happening imo. As the completely avoidable chaos and long term economic hit would be catastrophic, and they know this as they’ve seen the impact assessments.

 

[brb]

The problem here is we are just around the corner from the biggest stepping stone in our history, so the media and the politicians are going to pull out all the stops to destroy democracy by getting a three box option on a voting paper. It just goes to show all along, the stranglehold the EU has on the UK, and by that i mean indirectly as well has directly. The influence of wealth will see the opposite of what the outcome of the referendum voted for, and if that happens it will be pointless ever voting again.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

And what's wrong with being a libertarian! Workers rights are already diminished in the UK, don't fool yourself any differently, the destruction of the unions has left them powerless and corporate companies can more or less get away, with revoking old trade union deals.

Libertarianism is a stupid as communism, for similar reasons. Neither work and both are based upon ridiculously flawed ideas.
You're right about worker's rights, but that's nowhere near enough for the Tories and Rees-Mogg and the like would go even further than May and her ilk.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

The problem here is we are just around the corner from the biggest stepping stone in our history, so the media and the politicians are going to pull out all the stops to destroy democracy by getting a three box option on a voting paper. It just goes to show all along, the stranglehold the EU has on the UK, and by that i mean indirectly as well has directly. The influence of wealth will see the opposite of what the outcome of the referendum voted for, and if that happens it will be pointless ever voting again.

 

[Solid Air]

I'd actually like to see a no deal, is that really possible, i would have thought the opposite?

right now it is the most likely scenario imo.
No way can May get a "Yes" vote in the HoC for the agreed deal. After that doubt there is time to organise a referendum since that requires legislation ans electoral commission involvement re wording of the question etc.
There is the possibility of May resigning but the next leader of the Tories is in exactly the same bind since the EU at this late stage are not going to agree to anything but minor adjustments to the deal.
If we have an election that justs add more time to the process and whoever becomes the PM is again sitting with one deal on offer & no time (or inclination on part of EU) to renogotiate.
So think you're in clover mate

 

[Solid Air]

No U.K. Govt will oversee that happening imo. As the completely avoidable chaos and long term economic hit would be catastrophic, and they know this as they’ve seen the impact assessments.

how do they stop it ?

 

[brb]

Libertarianism is a stupid as communism, for similar reasons. Neither work and both are based upon ridiculously flawed ideas.
You're right about worker's rights, but that's nowhere near enough for the Tories and Rees-Mogg and the like would go even further than May and her ilk.

I'm not sure that i see any political spectrum as stupid, they all have there good points as well has bad

 

[Solid Air]

The problem here is we are just around the corner from the biggest stepping stone in our history, so the media and the politicians are going to pull out all the stops to destroy democracy by getting a three box option on a voting paper. It just goes to show all along, the stranglehold the EU has on the UK, and by that i mean indirectly as well has directly. The influence of wealth will see the opposite of what the outcome of the referendum voted for, and if that happens it will be pointless ever voting again.

what voting paper ?

 

[The Ginger Marks]

Libertarianism is a stupid as communism, for similar reasons. Neither work and both are based upon ridiculously flawed ideas.
You're right about worker's rights, but that's nowhere near enough for the Tories and Rees-Mogg and the like would go even further than May and her ilk.

I see Federalism as a greater threat .

 

[brb]

No deal
May's deal
Remain

That genuinely is what some politicians have requested. my view is that it shouldn't include the remain option, only the deal options.

 

[Stan]

but as i said, where is this going and what is Mogg's trying to achieve?

No deal.

He’s a disaster capitalist. When things go to **** the rich get richer by buying up cheap opportunities and assets.

Mogg has convinced a proportion of the population to make themselves poorer so he can get richer by screwing them.

 

[Solid Air]

He's a libertarian. He wants a no deal so that the UK can get rid of things like worker's rights and the NHS.
He hates the UK and wants to turn it into his father's vision of a ****ty, wrecked society.

i did say it was the generous view of his actions

 

[brb]

what voting paper ?

if it went to the public vote

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

No deal
May's deal
Remain

That genuinely is what some politicians have requested. my view is that it shouldn't include the remain option, only the deal options.

In what way would having more options destroy democracy, though? You might not like that option, but that's not the same thing, is it?

 

[Stan]

I'd actually like to see a no deal, is that really possible, i would have thought the opposite?

But why? Why do you want so many people to suffer?

 

[Solid Air]

if it went to the public vote

do you mean another referendum because it is difficult to see how that comes to happen certainly in the required timescale.

 

[brb]

In what way would having more options destroy democracy, though? You might not like that option, but that's not the same thing, is it?

I could have predicted this outcome two and a half years ago, i've said it several times over that period, that the EU have such a stranglehold on our democracy that we will not be allowed to leave. You might and probably will disagree with that, but it's my opinion.

 

[brb]

do you mean another referendum because it is difficult to see how that comes to happen certainly in the required timescale.

The powers that be are so desperate for us to remain, I wouldn't rule anything out...it's going to be a very long four months.

 

[Tobes]

No deal.

He’s a disaster capitalist. When things go to **** the rich get richer by buying up cheap opportunities and assets.

Mogg has convinced a proportion of the population to make themselves poorer so he can get richer by screwing them.

Yep.

One of his mates is Crispin Odey. The odious Odey admitted to clearing £220m on the night of the referendum result, when good old Nige played his part in the biggest currency short in U.K. history. Odey allowed Moggs first fund to open under his own funds umbrella. Odey has access to Downing Street. Odey made another wedge yesterday shorting the **** out of the pound again as Ministers resignations went in......

Moggs old man wrote a book called The Sovereign Individual, which gives a cracking insight into his ideology.

 

[PleaseNotPoll]

I could have predicted this outcome two and a half years ago, i've said it several times over that period, that the EU have such a stranglehold on our democracy that we will not be allowed to leave. You might and probably will disagree with that, but it's my opinion.

We're allowed to leave and there would be two options for it in the poll that you're calling the destruction of democracy. It's just a **** idea.