1. If pre-vote representations don't matter, why is it that Remainers have consistently complained about the stuff on the side of that bus? 2. The Customs Union and the Single Market are essential parts of the EU. If we vote to leave the EU, we vote to leave both.
In 2016 there were 240,000 vehicle checks on the Sweden-Norway border. Smuggling is rife, mainly into Norway, because, as Norway isn’t a member of the EU, it has different taxes and duties, exactly the kind of ‘freedom’ doubtless the UK would want to exercise. Much of the smuggling is by organised crime gangs from Eastern Europe. This wouldn’t happen in Ireland, because organised crime is the hobby of many paramilitaries. Swedish companies rate Norway as the most difficult country to trade with, above China. Just one of the many myths being peddled round. There is already plenty of smuggling over the Irish border due to different VAT rates, so perhaps it doesn’t really matter. Banging on about ‘preserving the union’ while not giving a toss about the people who live in various bits of it, especially if they voted remain, is a trendy bit of doublethink. It’s like all this fake crap about fishing. There are 12,000 commercial fishermen in the UK. I feel for them, it looks like a horrible, dangerous job. They want exclusive rights to fishing in territorial waters, understandable. They also want the right to sell their fish tariff free to the EU, where 75% of their catch is currently sent. Doesn’t work does it?
On 2, that’s obviously not necessarily true given there are various examples of countries not in the EU but in the SM. On 1, representations do matter and politicians in particular should be accountable when they come out with mindless buzzwords they aren’t in a place to promise. They shouldn’t be intentionally misleading as the bus claim and other promises were.
You may say with confidence it makes it impossible, but this is exactly why I am saying the Brexiters have to persuade the nation that it is possible. It's a highly technical issue that I admit is beyond my pay grade, but if it's not beyond yours, please do share with us why it is impossible.
Very simply, because any technical solution still necessitates some sort of physical check, creating a harder border than exists at the moment, and thus contravening the Good Friday Agreement.
The EU licences third party countries to have access to the Single Market. That's a separate issue. We were told constantly that we would be out of the Single Market and Customs Union by the most senior politicians on both the Remain and Leave side. As you say, these representations do matter.
It would be random checks presumably, like at British ports. These checks don't necessarily have to take place at the border
No, the other way round. If the plan was to leave the EU but then apply for a licence to stay in the Single Market, then that should have been on the ballot. It wasn't.
How is that a silly answer, Venezuela a massively oil rich country has people eating garbage, people leaving in their thousands, children dying of starvation, because a socialist government wasted billions trying to prove socialism works. Socialism is great till you run out of other people’s money. Corbyn has already said we would borrow billions to fund his madcap socialist nirvana, Liebour screwed the country last time they were in power and we have had years of austerity trying to repair it and some fools believe Jezzbollah is the answer, god help us if it comes to be.
Answer, Stan - the UK should start eating it's own fish - we're all being told we shouldn't eat meat because of global warming. Presumably this doesn't apply to fish. I don't know, are fish flatulent?
Lots of governments borrow money. We could all read the Express and convince ourselves Corbyn is the devil but that would be boring. I don’t think he’s the answer but at least he’s not going for the job out of ego. Maybe it wouldn’t work but I’d rather give it a go than yet more weak Tory/DUP leadership.
Very good response Turkish and I appreciate your opinion on this matter. Like I say, i don't see the issues you do and I suppose that's the same ratio all.over the country.
We are also a well off country, we have kids dieing in the streets on a daily basis, we have food banks used more than ever before..We have poverty, homeless people, a culture of drugs and violence. Less police on the streets, an overworked, under staffed nhs. School headmaster taking to the streets due to lack of funding. Services stripped to the bones! Yeah let's have more austerity. Thankfully the Tories are self destructing and even the most ardent voter will struggle to vote for them again.
Did you answer my question about who decides when we leave the customs union under the present proposals? No. You didn't. Can you not read?
