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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
KooPeeArr said:
I think it's just May's thinly masked threat to the hard Brexiteers - which is better, deal or no Brexit. She's doing the same to the remainers in the government - trying to make it seem like this deal is not the worst option for everyone.
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Yep that also sounds right either way
It’s a very strong nugget of a statement either way
One it puts the fear up the Brexiteers
Two it also enhances the wave throughout that Brexit really is a bad idea all round ... I believe this has always been the intention to spin this
Brexiteers have no plans I haven’t seen anything in two years in preparation for a new UK post Brexit apart from the lies on the bus
Yes it will piss off out of touch nationalism but I am convinced that is just blind pride

We sold out to the Americans and it has taken 50 years for people to realise that in fact I would go further as I believe we are Americans

That is not hating your country
That is reality

We are brilliant at some things of course but the fact is we sold out nearly everything in the UK

We are now just a big shop all towns have the same stuff London is the worlds best city easily but it built on money nothing more
 
Thats 2 down now. I wish I had predicited more.<doh>
If the Brexit secretary can resign that means May is toast.
 
ELLERS said:
Thats 2 down now. I wish I had predicited more.<doh>
If the Brexit secretary can resign that means May is toast.
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Frome-Ranger said:
To be fair a piece of toast would have been more use than Raab.
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"Dominic Raab resigns saying he “cannot in all conscience support a deal which doesn’t recognise the importance of the land border between France and Doncaster”

David Schneider
 
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KooPeeArr said:
I think it's just May's thinly masked threat to the hard Brexiteers - which is better, deal or no Brexit. She's doing the same to the remainers in the government - trying to make it seem like this deal is not the worst option for everyone.
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Interesting stuff on the radio this morning, one being that there is a court case (ECJ) underway to decide whether the UK alone (without the agreement of the EU) can revoke or pause Article 50. Apparently most constitutional lawyers think we can. Great news for Remainer MPs, who know there is no parliamentary majority for this deal or a no deal end game, but voting against the deal potentially gives them another option. I doubt the EU would agree to renegotiating something which has taken two and a half years, which would leave Norway or remaining in as the options. Both of which are better than the deal available, unless you don’t care about economics.

Also Health Secretary Hancock would not confirm or deny whether he told the cabinet that he could not guarantee that deaths would not result from a no deal outcome.

Raab, like Davis, unable to live with the deal that he was responsible for negotiating. Pathetic failures.

If, as is highly likely, Parliament kicks this out, surely that means the collapse of the government, with the Tories then forced to decide between self interest, finding a new leader (who of course will be just as **** as May), or calling an election (nightmare) or seeking to give Parliament more direction through another referendum (no guarantee that a significant majority either way will result, horribly divisive, not a solution). They will of course choose self interest, because they are Tories.

May you live in interesting times, as the old Chinese curse goes.
 
Quite Possibly Raving said:
Raab gone. Who, of course, joined post Chequers when we knew the fantasy wasn't going to be delivered. Odd.
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Totally agree. They have all known for months. I think they all know that she is toast and the deal won't get through.
TBH this deal could never be accepted by either side.
 
ELLERS said:
Totally agree. They have all known for months. I think they all know that she is toast and the deal won't get through.
TBH this deal could never be accepted by either side.
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I agree maybe May was toast before she became PM ? Thankfully it looks like a No deal will ever happen the country will never accept that now they understand the pitfalls

Hoping the UK’s tantrum worked to reform the EU which of course it needed and the UK’s place at the EUROPEAN table looks a lot stronger now

Voila as Stan mentioned news reports now the legal side looking into the Brexit clause ... we had to show and lead that we meant business by the trigger

Just imagine that as a complete story that’s all it is of course but I believe it’s a very good bet

Russians next as fiddling in the vote has to come imo after all the groundwork spun has been laid with the other anti Russian stuff
 
ELLERS said:
A free trade deal (Canada plus)
A no deal is better than a second vote. You cannot have another vote basically saying 'you got it wrong so try again'. Not getting into the old stuff again. We voted to leave so we leave.
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A no deal is better than a second vote?!?!?! We voted to leave so we leave?!?!?!?
You didn't have a clue what you were voting for....Nobody did. This time everyone does! Surely even you can see that!!!
 
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