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What about Tom Baker? He's a Scouser <ok>


He was before my time. Sylvester McCoy is the earliest I really remember fairly well... I kinda remember a Yorkshire vet playing Doctor Who too. I think they were reruns when I saw them though.

Paul McGann was a scouser too apparently. I liked him in the film that was made... A little different to previous doctor who's (half human <laugh>)but I think that could have been a decent reboot if optioned.
 
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Suffered through entire series of Cloak and Dagger.... tip....DON'T...

Thought it might pick up pace but Christ it was dull. Another failed series by Marvel
 
Started on season four of BCS last night but started dropping to sleep within five minutes so turned out off...
 
Just finished watching it. Tough viewing... swung from rage to near tears on a few occasions.

What I liked was how Greengrass doesn't flinch and puts everything on the table, not resorting to easy, placating answers like the guy was just insane. Breivik was calculated and meticulous in his planning and execution and wanted to make a point. It's too simple to see it as a mental health breakdown alone. Although the film does push that perspective.

Seemed to me part of what it was saying is those kind of wave away opinions are not productive for society as it tries to understand why Breivik happened and it's better to confront the reality head on. The film explores these events in the same clear eyed way from the perspective of attacker and victims where that day becomes something that they were all personally involved in. The boy's final testimonial drives that.

What I mean is that the interest is in dismantling and viewing the events on a human level where once you take all the politics, ideology and indoctrination away, he callously murdered 77 people, most of them children, and maimed and damaged mentally and physically lots of others ... Greengrass seems to land on the idea that to do that to other people on that basic human level is the worst thing about it all, not because it's in the name of neo-nazism or fascism, but because they're just other people and you have no right to do this in any context. At the same time the film obviously gets across how abhorrent the attacks were and soundly dismantles Breivik presenting him, rightly, as entirely hollow.
 
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What I liked was how Greengrass doesn't flinch and puts everything on the table, not resorting to easy, placating answers like the guy was just insane. Breivik was calculated and meticulous in his planning and execution and wanted to make a point. It's too simple to see it as a mental health breakdown alone. Although the film does push that perspective.

Seemed to me part of what it was saying is those kind of wave away opinions are not productive for society as it tries to understand why Breivik happened and it's better to confront the reality head on. The film explores these events in the same clear eyed way from the perspective of attacker and victims where that day becomes something that they were all personally involved in. The boy's final testimonial drives that.

What I mean is that the interest is in dismantling and viewing the events on a human level where once you take all the politics, ideology and indoctrination away, he callously murdered 77 people, most of them children, and maimed and damaged mentally and physically lots of others ... Greengrass seems to land on the idea that to do that to other people on that basic human level is the worst thing about it all, not because it's in the name of neo-nazism or fascism, but because they're just other people and you have no right to do this in any context. At the same time the film obviously gets across how abhorrent the attacks were and soundly dismantles Breivik presenting him, rightly, as entirely hollow.

Good post. I'll watch this tomorrow.
 
What I liked was how Greengrass doesn't flinch and puts everything on the table, not resorting to easy, placating answers like the guy was just insane. Breivik was calculated and meticulous in his planning and execution and wanted to make a point. It's too simple to see it as a mental health breakdown alone. Although the film does push that perspective.

Seemed to me part of what it was saying is those kind of wave away opinions are not productive for society as it tries to understand why Breivik happened and it's better to confront the reality head on. The film explores these events in the same clear eyed way from the perspective of attacker and victims where that day becomes something that they were all personally involved in. The boy's final testimonial drives that.

What I mean is that the interest is in dismantling and viewing the events on a human level where once you take all the politics, ideology and indoctrination away, he callously murdered 77 people, most of them children, and maimed and damaged mentally and physically lots of others ... Greengrass seems to land on the idea that to do that to other people on that basic human level is the worst thing about it all, not because it's in the name of neo-nazism or fascism, but because they're just other people and you have no right to do this in any context. At the same time the film obviously gets across how abhorrent the attacks were and soundly dismantles Breivik presenting him, rightly, as entirely hollow.

Great post. Agreed. The frightening idea that one person using whatever justification can dehumanise another to the point that their very life means nothing.

And the challenge faced by any civilisation to confront it without ending up doing the same thing. Very very timely exploration.

Better people than me thank goodness.... I know I'd descend into revenge and retribution far too easily.
 
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Man in the high castle. Great two first series, not sure if I’m going to carry on, seems lost.
 
Man in the high castle. Great two first series, not sure if I’m going to carry on, seems lost.

dunno where they are at yet mate. only watched no 1.

for me it lost a bit when the japanese guy wandered into pur world.in effect... but it did have a bit at the end of season 2... but I found it a stretch even for its world how Juliana is not dead.

the opener is season 3 was in effect a wrap up of loose ends for me with the same protagonists being placed into the same cities again.

the issue for me is what is the final.outcome..... clearly this is parallel worlds stuff so the outcome cannot be USA freedom etc etc. they narrowly avoided world war 3 last series but germany is clearly far advanced in comparison to the japanese especially from the crap that the japs seem to drive about and they just look pre wwii

I'm not sure what end game will be... for me the Germans can smash the japs any time
 
What I liked was how Greengrass doesn't flinch and puts everything on the table, not resorting to easy, placating answers like the guy was just insane. Breivik was calculated and meticulous in his planning and execution and wanted to make a point. It's too simple to see it as a mental health breakdown alone. Although the film does push that perspective.

Seemed to me part of what it was saying is those kind of wave away opinions are not productive for society as it tries to understand why Breivik happened and it's better to confront the reality head on. The film explores these events in the same clear eyed way from the perspective of attacker and victims where that day becomes something that they were all personally involved in. The boy's final testimonial drives that.

What I mean is that the interest is in dismantling and viewing the events on a human level where once you take all the politics, ideology and indoctrination away, he callously murdered 77 people, most of them children, and maimed and damaged mentally and physically lots of others ... Greengrass seems to land on the idea that to do that to other people on that basic human level is the worst thing about it all, not because it's in the name of neo-nazism or fascism, but because they're just other people and you have no right to do this in any context. At the same time the film obviously gets across how abhorrent the attacks were and soundly dismantles Breivik presenting him, rightly, as entirely hollow.
Just finished it, it's the lawyer that's key to me he goes about his job but never lets Breivik get to him or questions his motivations. He defends him for what he is. Nothing.
 
Just finished it, it's the lawyer that's key to me he goes about his job but never lets Breivik get to him or questions his motivations. He defends him for what he is. Nothing.
Yup..

The individual hates all he did but knows actually defending him well , defeats him. From that first scene where he asks why me? And arrogant response to the end when he doesn't shake his hand and quietly just says na ...

I have to say, I know PG focused on the kid for obvious reasons and I don't know how much "mandellaring" was done to his character but I thought it was a great focus.

I listened to PG interview on BBC with Simon dude about why he chose this .. he stated pretty much what we are all taking from it.

Suprisingly when I looked at reviews after watching I saw accusations of tragedy porn.... I really didn't see that... even the opening 20 minutes...I was horrified watching .... not titilated like with a horror movie etc... I think some people don't like being confronted
 
Yup..

The individual hates all he did but knows actually defending him well , defeats him. From that first scene where he asks why me? And arrogant response to the end when he doesn't shake his hand and quietly just says na ...

I have to say, I know PG focused on the kid for obvious reasons and I don't know how much "mandellaring" was done to his character but I thought it was a great focus.

I listened to PG interview on BBC with Simon dude about why he chose this .. he stated pretty much what we are all taking from it.

Suprisingly when I looked at reviews after watching I saw accusations of tragedy porn.... I really didn't see that... even the opening 20 minutes...I was horrified watching .... not titilated like with a horror movie etc... I think some people don't like being confronted
I agree, the reviews are a bit odd. The opening scenes are done well if that kind of thing can ever be done well. PG depicts a true sense of horror in that they were truley helpless and it's a difficult watch, the only thing I've seen that compares is the rape scene with Lol's Dad and Tel in This Is England where you are watching something clever but also repulsive at the same time.
 
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