DT you are like others spreading project fear and knocking the UK at every opportunity (because for you, life is so good in France). As I said just get on with your nuts and let us deal with our country.
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No they still do and many more. It is easy to get a few bods to say they have changed opinions on TV but when you get out in the real World and talk to people it's the opposite. Go with those polls if you want (again).
Truth is, You and some others cannot accept the biggest democratic vote in our history and will spread your rubbish to put people off.
Do I think May has done a good job...No
Have I and all the leave supporters I know changed their mind...No
We are leaving fella get over it.
Wanted. No way is support for Brexit as strong as it was over two years ago except with it's most fervent and deluded 'leave at all costs' disciples.
Once again another wrong comment. The problem the people are having is the handling of it, not their choice.
An interesting piece by everyone's favourite ex-diplomat below. He suggests that the reason May got such short shrift in Salzburg is that the EU considers that she has acted in bad faith by going back on the Irish 'backstop', which she had signed up to in December. Number 10 had been warned by British ambassadors in EU countries that there was 'fizzing' resentment, but May and her ministers ignored their advice.
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/09/theresa-mays-bad-faith/
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2018/09/theresa-mays-bad-faith/
Funnily I listen to the radio phone-ins in the evening and there are many who say the opposite.
As I said it doesn't matter. We voted, got the result and it will be implemented. In 40 years if you are unhappy have another vote, although I believe the EU will be long gone.
Craig Murray?
Would have been better coming from Craig David. I will believe the Times reporter on this one.
I remember when this actually happened, she had to back track because the DUP kicked up a fuss. Without them I think the Irish border issue would be done and dusted, in line with the democratically expressed will of the people of Northern Ireland.
Just on the way back home from Germany, where I have been canvassing opinion from a variety of nationalities. All regretted the Brexit vote, and all were horrified by the idea of a no deal blind Brexit, which they can hardly believe is a possibility. The Italians were horrified with their own government, the Germans worried about the afD, and the Yanks, who were a bit perplexed by Brexit, wholly fixated with Trump. One US doctor colleague , going on Trump’s behaviour and astonishingly small vocabulary, is sure he is in rapid cognitive decline, possibly early stages of dementia. They hope that the democrats win some seats in the mid terms and have the balls to impeach, though it won’t get through the senate. The Turks were the most anxious of everyone with what is going on in their country.
Of course all the informal survey respondents were intelligent professional people working for a multi national company, May’s ‘citizens of nowhere’ just like me, and who gives a **** what people like that think?
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I suspect there's some truth in this. But the fact is, this is not a legally binding agreement, merely a statement of intent. Nothing was nailed down. If facts change - and Unionist objections are just that - then May is entitled to amend that part of the agreement. The EU need to get over themselves.
Interesting criticism by Mr Murray on the EU looking on while Spanish Franco-like thugs coshed Catalonian grannies in the street. Expressed my sentiments entirely.
Wrong in your opinion just as I believe your comment is wrong in my opinion. Neither of our comments can truthfully be stated as fact. What we can agree on is the shambolic way it is being handled.
I am over it Ellers supporting the information everywhere including Farage the current polls all point to a swing in public opinion that given a theoretical vote then we would remain in the EU ... not bothered either way Ellers just bringing your arguments up to date as we are all in the now
Revealing that you give him credence and call him Mr Murray now that he's said something derogatory about the EU, Goldie (Ellers, of course, dismissed it without reading it and made his usual Craig David joke. It doesn't become funny through repetition, Ellers). The thing is, this revelation, along with May's confrontational attitude, her Die Weld article, and the fact that, when given an opportunity to address EU leaders, she basically just read out said article, gives the lie to her claim that she has always shown respect to the EU. It also makes the hysterical reaction to her treatment in Salzburg look a bit silly.
Craig Murray wasn't on my radar, Strolls. Should I know who he is? The problem is, the way the EU leaders behaved in Saltzburg comes on the back of a strategy of arrogance, inflexibility and negativity. What damaged them was the whole nine yards.
I've posted stuff of his before, Goldie. No matter, based on her own Salzburg behaviour, 'arrogance, inflexibility and negativity' could equally be applied to May, it seems to me. She needs to find a way around the Irish conundrum, and Corbyn was clever yesterday in offering to support her if she were to go down the Customs Union route. She won't, because she's too arrogant, inflexible and negative.
I'm sure I read the articles but didn't recognise the name. The UK is making all the concessions. Money, security, confirmation to 3.8m EU citizens that they are welcome. Have the EU reciprocated? No, they never give an inch. They still want our deep pocket back in their sect