Say, hostile negotiations. If I was a betting man, I would say some arrangement will probably be devised by both sides by November. I still think that's most likely, and then the deal has to be approved by Parliament and each of the 27 nations. It depends largely on EU flexibility
You say that the freedom of movement is a red line Goldie, but I have heard nothing from any Brexiteer about what will actually change at the point of entry into the UK. The problem is that for every one person who wants to work in the UK there are 20 tourists who come, spend their money, and then go. How do you tell them apart at the point of entry ? How do you discourage the one without discouraging the other ? If you bring in a Visa system for all those coming in then casual weekend visitors will simply go to Amsterdam or Paris instead - partly because so many EU. citizens don't have passports (just ID Cards). Or would the actuall border be at the workplace itself ? With increased controls over access to work, housing etc. Bearing in mind that the UK. already has an estimated quarter of a million illegal workers from non EU. countries, and has failed to control this effectively, how do you envisage this being done ? So far all I have heard is the soundbite 'taking back control of our borders' - but that is all.
I was talking principle and you are talking the mechanics, and the mechanics is good question, Cologne. Government will have to persuade the electorate it can deliver on what people want re immigration. It would have to be based on work visas. I assume the onus would be on employers not to employ anyone without the necessary paperwork. Overstays are a big part of illegal immigration. Personally, I think the country will have to have identity cards. I don't have a problem with that. I have a driving licence. Simply extend that.
If people believe that Tusks 'tweet' and Macron's 'Liars' and the "have a second referendum' was okay for the EU heads to say in Austria and it doesn't matter? I am not a gambling man and never really bet (although I did do a Euromillions ticket the other night ). But I bet you now that you will not hear them say stuff like that again. In fact I bet we see the opposite until will get out of course then who knows.
This is very true. I am a civil servant and we are under a code for what we can say on social media dependent on our specific responsibilities.We were all warned not to say anything controversial on Twitter and Facebook about the referendum or Trump for example. In terms of negotiations we operate under Cabinet Office guidance - it's quite detailed but the nub is that we never be disrespectful to other delegates and remember we are representing the UK at all times (including in the bar!) My favourite bit of that guidance is we are told not to use cricketing analogies as most countries don't understand them...
I agree with that but it would help if some of our politicians reigned in it a bit too.Johnson and Farage in particular have been pretty outrageous in some of their utterances. A bit more respect and cooperation on both sides wouldn't go amiss right now. The other thing of course is that this is hardly new. A French President once told Disraeli that he was blessed to have been born French remain French and would die French. Disraeli asked why he had no ambition....
So you can't say the Maybot is on a sticky wicket with Barnier and Tusk bowling Googlies and Chinamen...
Off to Germany for work tomorrow. I’ll be working with Germans, French, Italians, Spanish, Brits and Yanks. I’ll check out the mood. Be interesting to hear from real people rather than politicians.
They are educated and engaged people, of course they will give a ****. They may not care what we do to ourselves but they will at a minimum be interested on the impact on them.
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I'm pretty sure he has said if his party vote for a second referendum at their conference then he would be bound by it although he would prefer a general election. You can twist the wording to suit yourself though mate, no problem.
thats me ****ed then China has a 'chilling' system to control everyone By Megan Palin | news.com.au please log in to view this image A man waves the Chinese national flag as an amateur choir performs in a park in a residential neighbourhood in Beijing, China February 28, 2017. REUTERS/Thomas Peter - RTS10PYV China's chilling dictatorship is moving quickly to introduce social scorecards, in which all citizens will be monitored 24/7 and ranked on their behavior. The Communist Party’s plan is for every one of its 1.4 billion citizens to be at the whim of a dystopian social credit system, and it’s on track to be fully operational by the year 2020. An active pilot program has already seen millions of people each assigned a score out of 800 and either reap its benefits or suffer its consequences — depending on which end of the scale they sit. Under the social credit scheme, points are lost and gained based on readings from a sophisticated network of 200 million surveillance cameras — a figure set to triple in 18 months. The program has been enabled by rapid advances in facial recognition, body scanning and geo-tracking. The data is combined with information collected from individuals’ government records — including medical and educational — along with their financial and internet browsing histories. Overall scores can go up and down in “real time” dependant on the person’s behaviour but they can also be affected by people they associate with. “If your best friend or your dad says something negative about the government, you’ll lose points too,” the ABC reports. The mandatory “social credit” system was first announced in 2014 in a bid to reinforce the notion that “keeping trust is glorious and breaking trust is disgraceful,” according to a government document. In a Foreign Correspondent episode, to air on the ABC tonight, financial credit system Alipay, Tianjin general manager Jie Cong, summarised the system in black and white. “If people keep their promises they can go anywhere in the world,” he said. “If people break their promises they won’t be able to move an inch!” MODEL CITIZENS Under the system, those deemed to be “top citizens” are rewarded bonus points. The benefits of being ranked on the higher end of the scale include waived deposits on hotels and rental cars, VIP treatment at airports, discounted loans, priority job applications and fast-tracking to the most prestigious universities. Dandan, a young mother and marketing professional, is proud of her high score. If she keeps it up her infant son will be more likely to get into a top school. “China likes to experiment in this creative way … I think people in every country want a stable and safe society,” she said. “We need a social credit system. We hope we can help each other, love each other and help everyone to become prosperous.” BOTTOM OF THE SCALE But it doesn’t take much to end up on the wrong side of the scale with an estimated 10 million people are already paying the price of a low rating. Jaywalking, late payments on bills or taxes, buying too much alcohol or speaking out against the government, each cost citizens points. Other mooted punishable offences include spending too long playing video games, wasting money on frivolous purchases and posting on social media, according to Business Insider. Penalties range from losing the right to travel by plane or train, social media account suspensions and being barred from government jobs. Chinese journalist Liu Hu is one of millions who have already amassed a low social credit rating. Liu Hu was arrested, jailed and fined after he exposed official corruption. “The government regards me as an enemy,” Liu Hu told the ABC. He is now banned from travelling by plane or fast train. His social media accounts with millions of followers have been suspended. He struggles to find work. “This kind of social control is against the tide of the world. The Chinese people’s eyes are blinded and their ears are blocked. They know little about the world and are living in an illusion.” Liu Hu said. Seventeen people who refused to carry out military service were last year barred from enrolling in higher education, applying for high school, or continuing their studies, Beijing News reported. Uighur poet and filmmaker, Tahir Hamut, who fled to the US, told the ABC that China’s surveillance system “suddenly ramped up after the end of 2016”. “Since then, advanced surveillance technology which we’ve never seen, never experienced, never heard of, started appearing,” he said. This story originally appeared in news.com.au.
It's a huge privilege eh Stan? I've been meeting our stakeholders over the summer and the breadth of views has been amazing. The one good thing about this is people finally have the opportunity to say how they really want us to operate from a blank sheet of paper. I would urge you all to take that chance. There's loads of white papers asking what you think - so tell them.
