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[Stroller]

I said some time ago stroller that some will relish in delight if things don't go well for our country....You have proved me right. Enjoy your moment in the sun.

I said it was a sad fiasco, and I don't delight in it. I've also said I hope May succeeds in getting a deal, because it might be the least bad outcome for the country. My only enjoyment comes from watching Leave voters fight amongst themselves.

 

[kiwiqpr]

A new report from the Adam Smith Institute suggests that a switch to lab-grown meat would not only drastically free up land, but also cut #greenhouse gas emissions by up to 96%

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lab grown meat
oh how we cried about irradiated food
gnashed our teeth over genetically engineered food

will we have one big worldwide feast and then cull all the non milking wool producing animals

 

[ELLERS]

I said it was a sad fiasco, and I don't delight in it. I've also said I hope May succeeds in getting a deal, because it might be the least bad outcome for the country. My only enjoyment comes from watching Leave voters fight amongst themselves.

mmm whatever.
I agree with Sb we should all want the best for our country. It saddens me (doesn't surprise) but saddens me that people can take pleasure in wanting Brexit to fail so they can look smug and say "I told you so".
No for me I'm afraid.

 

[Stroller]

mmm whatever.
I agree with Sb we should all want the best for our country. It saddens me (doesn't surprise) but saddens me that people can take pleasure in wanting Brexit to fail so they can look smug and say "I told you so".
No for me I'm afraid.

Read what I said.

Just remember, whatever the outcome (unless by some miracle Brexit is reversed) - YOU VOTED FOR IT.

 

[Staines R's]

whats happened to todays youngsters that they seemingly cant cope with anything
when did the ambulance service become uber


One in ten Londoners would call ambulance if their child’s hand got stuck in a jam jar, report reveals

• Olivia Tobin
• 18 hours ago

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56 per cent of Londoners said they knew when to call an ambulance ( Getty Images )

One in ten Londoners would call an ambulance if their child’s hand got stuck in a jam jar, a new report has revealed.
A new survey has focused on the reasons why Londoners may ring the emergency service and found that 10 per cent of London parents would ring an ambulance in such a situation.
But the poll of 1,000 adults living in the capital found that Londoners have a "high degree of confidence" in their own knowledge of when to call an ambulance, with 56 per cent strongly agreeing with the statement "I know when to call an ambulance".
Millennials were less confident than older people - 36 per cent of 18 to 24-year-olds strongly agreed, compared to 74 per cent of those over 55.
A report detailing the findings, which forms part of London Assembly Health Committee's investigation into the future of the London Ambulance Service, found that nine in 10 of those surveyed said that ambulance services should only be used in emergencies.
But the report suggests that people will still call for an ambulance if there are no other options available, even if they know it is not an emergency.

One in three of those polled said they would call an ambulance in a non-emergency situation because they did not know what else to do.
People also had different views on what constitutes as an emergency, the authors wrote.
While 23 per cent of 18 to 24-year-olds would call an ambulance because they could not get an urgent GP appointment - for over 65s this was 6 per cent.
And more than half of 18 to 24-year-olds would call an ambulance in a non-emergency situation because they have no other way to get someone to hospital.
Dr Onkar Sahota, chairman of the London Assembly Health Committee, said: "Paramedics are highly skilled professionals providing a first line of treatment to those most in need of urgent healthcare.
"We need to ensure that all people, of whatever age, know the various ways to get health care.
"Sadly, the 999 system can be abused by those with spurious issues but it also has to cover for problems in other parts of the healthcare system.
"We all need to work together to make the best use of our precious ambulance service resources."
London Ambulance Service chief executive Garrett Emmerson added: "The latest poll of Londoners shows we need to remind people, of all ages, to use us wisely and only call 999 in a genuine emergency.
"We are delighted that the survey shows that the overwhelming majority of Londoners have confidence in us and think our staff do an excellent job.
"It's fantastic their dedication and hard work - which we see every day - has received this recognition from the public."

Quarter of young Londoners would dial 999 if they couldn’t see a GP, study shows

• Ross Lydall
• 9 hours ago

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One in 10 Londoners would call 999 for an emergency ambulance if their child got their hand stuck in a jam jar, according to a new report ( PA )

One in three Londoners would call 999 for an ambulance even if there was no need for urgent hospital care, a survey revealed today.
The figure rose to more than half among 18 to 24-year-olds, prompting calls for young Londoners to be better educated in how to access non-emergency healthcare.
Four in 10 Londoners mistakenly believed that calling 999 would get them seen faster at A&E, and one in 10 said they would call an ambulance if a child got a hand stuck in a jam jar.
The findings were published today by the London Assembly’s health committee as part of an ongoing investigation into the challenges facing the London Ambulance Service.
It is the country’s busiest ambulance service and receives more than 1.9 million calls a year. But demand is soaring — calls are up 13 per cent year on year — and there are persistent staff shortages, meaning increasingly it has to decide which calls to prioritise.
The most serious emergencies, such as cardiac arrest, are reached in seven minutes but it can take two and a half hours to attend lower-priority cases.
Today’s report, based on 105 responses to an online focus group and polling of 1,013 people by Populus, found one in five respondents had called an ambulance in the last six months, but many had done so “unnecessarily”.
Almost a quarter of young Londoners said they would call an ambulance if they could not get a GP appointment, while nearly one in five of Londoners of all ages said they were unaware of the NHS 111 non-emergency 24-hour phone line. More than 90 per cent of respondents accepted ambulances should only be used in emergencies.
The report said the LAS, Mayor and NHS should promote “informed and responsible use” of the ambulance service and make people aware of the alternatives to dialling 999.
Onkar Sahota, Labour chairman of the assembly health committee, said: “Sadly, the 999 system can be abused by those with spurious issues but it also has to cover for problems in other parts of the healthcare system. We need to work together to make the best use of this precious resource.”
LAS chief executive Garrett Emmerson said: “The latest poll of Londoners shows we need to remind people of all ages to use us wisely and only call 999 in a genuine emergency.”

Makes my blood boil sometimes....

 

[sb_73]

mmm whatever.
I agree with Sb we should all want the best for our country. It saddens me (doesn't surprise) but saddens me that people can take pleasure in wanting Brexit to fail so they can look smug and say "I told you so".
No for me I'm afraid.

But if we don’t agree what is best for our country we are screwed. And we are screwed, whatever type of Brexit we get, from staying in the EU to complete no deal and everything in between, because enough people disagree profoundly about it. There will be arguing and bitching for the rest of my life.

****ing Cameron.

 

[sb_73]

Makes my blood boil sometimes....

I was going to post, wait til Stainsey turns up on their doorstep, they won't phone again for trifles after that.....

 

[Staines R's]

I was going to post, wait til Stainsey turns up on their doorstep, they won't phone again for trifles after that.....

To be honest mate I do stay professional throughout even though in my head I might be thinking what the **** are we here for.
And it does seem the younger generation who feel they need an ambulance for such things as ‘flu’ (been in those jobs on numerous occasions)....most of the older generation seem to muddle in through.

 

[sb_73]

To be honest mate I do stay professional throughout even though in my head I might be thinking what the **** are we here for.
And it does seem the younger generation who feel they need an ambulance for such things as ‘flu’ (been in those jobs on numerous occasions)....most of the older generation seem to muddle in through.

I know you would be professional in all circumstances sir. I would love to see you containing your natural urges though.

 

[ELLERS]

But if we don’t agree what is best for our country we are screwed. And we are screwed, whatever type of Brexit we get, from staying in the EU to complete no deal and everything in between, because enough people disagree profoundly about it. There will be arguing and bitching for the rest of my life.

****ing Cameron.

Cameron is the easy target. He was only doing what the people wanted (which was a vote). He would have been a hero if remain had won.
Once again Sb you claim to know every outcome which people in the game don't. For every doom and gloom prediction a positive answer is given and vice versa.
I have said many times before (and stand by it) if remain had won there never would have been all this fuss. I would have accepted it and moved on...It's called democracy.
When I hear people getting enjoyment out of our country's I'll fortune, then it saddens me that people actually think like this.

 

[kiwiqpr]

EXCLUSIVE: Corbyn scores an own goal! Labour leader demanded boycott on Arsenal FC - who he supports - over club's Israeli tourism sponsorship deal

• Corbyn demanded a boycott of Arsenal FC when it accepted a sponsorship deal from the Israeli tourist board
• Labour leader demanded fans abandon the club after Israeli holiday destinations were advertised at the stadium
• Corbyn is known to be a keen Arsenal fan and is a regular supporter at the club's Emirates stadium, which is in his north London constituency
• He spoke out against the club at the Palestine Solidarity Campaign Trade Union Conference in 2006
• Revelations will further embarrass the Labour leader as he struggles to contain the ongoing anti-Semitism row as party conference looms

By Jake Wallis Simons, Associate Global Editor
Published: 17:02 AEST, 20 September 2018 | Updated: 21:40 AEST, 20 September 2018
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Jeremy Corbyn demanded a boycott of Arsenal football club after it accepted sponsorship from the Israeli tourist board, MailOnline can reveal.
The Labour leader, who is known to be an Arsenal supporter, demanded that fans abandon his own club after Israeli holiday destinations were advertised at the stadium.
'We must campaign against and boycott Arsenal football club for their arrangement with the Israeli tourist board,' Mr Corbyn told the Palestine Solidarity Campaign Trade Union Conference in 2006.
'It is wrong to treat both parties [Israel and the Palestinians] as equals,' he said, adding: 'The situation is the running sore of US foreign policy.'
The £350,000 deal was approved by Dubai-based Emirates airline, Arsenal's main sponsor, before going ahead. The UAE is known for its hostility to Israel and has never recognised its right to exist.
The revelations will further embarrass the Labour leader as he struggles to contain the ongoing anti-Semitism row as party conference looms.

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Jeremy Corbyn demanded a boycott of Arsenal football club, the team that he supports, after the club accepted a sponsorship deal from the Israeli tourist board, MailOnline can reveal

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The Labour leader, known to be a regular in the stands at Arsenal's Emirates Stadium, wanted fans to abandon his own club after Israeli holiday destinations were advertised at the stadium
Listed as a speaker alongside Mr Corbyn at the 2006 conference was preacher Daud Abdullah, who called for attacks on the Royal Navy if it tried to prevent arms smuggling into Gaza, and led a boycott of Holocaust Memorial Day.
A number of inflammatory comments were made at the event, with speakers calling Israel 'the biggest threat to world peace' and 'the cuckoo in the nest of the Middle East'.
Gideon Falter, chairman of the Campaign Against Anti-Semitism, said: 'Jeremy Corbyn's obsession with Israel blinds him.
'He has called for a boycott of his own football club, not because of its close association with the Emirates – which engages in torture and execution – but because of some obscure connection to Israel.'
Mr Corbyn has supported the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement, which calls for a wholesale boycott of everything associated with Israel, in the past.
In 2015, he was filmed apparently endorsing the BDS movement as 'part and parcel of a legal process that has to be adopted'.
The video, taken just months before he assumed the Labour leadership, was filmed during a conference in Belfast. He said: 'I believe that sanctions against Israel… are the appropriate way of promoting [the] peace process.'
Mr Corbyn has since maintained that he opposes a boycott of Israel as a whole, instead supporting a boycott of produce from settlements on the West Bank.

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'We must campaign against and boycott Arsenal football club for their arrangement with the Israeli tourist board,' Mr Corbyn (pictured with Sadiq Khan) told a conference in 2006
In February, he appeared in a 'show racism the red card' video at Arsenal where he was interviewed about his support for the anti-racism charity.
But the appearance descended into farce after it was revealed that the YouTube star interviewing him, David Vujanic, sent tweets containing the N-word and joked about Jews and Hitler.
In a series of tweets in 2012, Mr Vujanic wrote: 'Hitler was playing the Jew challenge game. Jew goals are my speciality.
'I bet if Hitler was alive and did a little Dougie [a dance move] everyone would forget about the whole genocide thing.'
He also joked about black men dating white women. Mr Vujanic apologised for the tweets after they were reported by the press.
A spokesman for Mr Corbyn said Mr Vulanic was right to apologise, calling his tweets 'absolutely vile'.
Mr Corbyn's call for a boycott of Arsenal came just two years after he signed a parliamentary motion calling the it 'the best football club in the world'.
The motion was proposed by the late Brian Sedgemore MP, a controversial Labour figure who defected to the Liberal Democrats in the middle of the 2005 election.
'This House… admires [Arsenal] for the fluency and poetry that they have brought to the beautiful game,' the motion said.
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Moment Corbyn presents Michel Barnier with an Arsenal shirt

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The revelations will embarrass the Labour leader (pictured with Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier) as he struggles to contain the ongoing anti-Semitism row as party conference looms
Mr Corbyn, whose Islington constituency contains the Arsenal ground, has also sponsored motions congratulating the men's and women's teams when they won the FA cup.
The revelations that the Labour leader called for the club to be be boycotted throws the extent of his support for Arsenal into doubt.
A Labour spokesman said: 'Jeremy has never boycotted an Arsenal game. He does support targeted action aimed at illegal settlements and the occupation of Palestinian territories, and has backed campaigns to bring it to an end.'
Arsenal football club declined to comment.
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[Stroller]

When I hear people getting enjoyment out of our country's I'll fortune, then it saddens me that people actually think like this.

If that's aimed at me, I'll say again - read what I said. I'm saddened by what's happening to my country.

By the way Ellers, exactly what Brexit outcome did you have in mind when you cast your vote?

 

[bobmid]

If that's aimed at me, I'll say again - read what I said. I'm saddened by what's happening to my country.

By the way Ellers, exactly what Brexit outcome did you have in mind when you cast your vote?

I don't think anyone is getting any enjoyment from the shambles of brexit. I don't think the word democracy can be associated with brexit any more. It has no relevance. The politicians have seen to that!

 

[sb_73]

Cameron is the easy target. He was only doing what the people wanted (which was a vote). He would have been a hero if remain had won.
Once again Sb you claim to know every outcome which people in the game don't. For every doom and gloom prediction a positive answer is given and vice versa.
I have said many times before (and stand by it) if remain had won there never would have been all this fuss. I would have accepted it and moved on...It's called democracy.
When I hear people getting enjoyment out of our country's I'll fortune, then it saddens me that people actually think like this.

My point was that you and I both want the best for the country but we fundamentally disagree what that is. Can’t see what is going to change that. But you apparently know my mind better than I do myself.

I blame Cameron because he ****ed up trying to sort out a Tory party issue. I know you don’t like images and stats, so feel free to ignore, but before the election in 2015 the EU was an important issue for less than 20% of people. Granted immigration was important to many more (although not on a personal level) but as we have discussed endlessly on here, there is more non EU immigration and we have never used the powers available to us to restrict EU immigration.

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[Quite Possibly Raving]

If she does there will be a lot of Tories losing seats. and a lot of unhappy people.
The EU is doing the same to us as they did to Denmark and Ireland. they voted out and then they scared the people to death with threats and the poor sods gave in.

Not sure I buy the idea that a soft Brexit would equate to lots of Tories losing seats, or even a lot of unhappy people. Don't forget that 48% voted to remain, and I'd hypothecate that few of the 52% were supportive of a no deal hard Brexit at the time of the referendum. I'll give you two bits of evidence to support my assertion:

1. A Vote.Leave pamphlet ahead of the vote stated, "The EU’s supporters say ‘we must have access to the Single Market’. Britain will have access to the Single Market after we vote leave." There are many further similar examples from the official campaign and it's figurehwads.

2. Polling data post vote (link here) showed that 60% of people supported staying in the Single Market with 16 against and 24 neither agreeing or disagreeing. I don't trust the data too far as it's just one poll and a snapshot at one point in time, but the significance here is the high level of 'don't know' and the low levels opposed.

Plus, who would criticise them for a soft exit? Labour, Lib Dems? Hardly likely.
UKIP? Yup, but as we've seen in 2017, they hurt Labour as much as the Tories so minimal threat.

The electoral politics is the last thing stopping May from a soft Brexit - I'd go as far as saying a soft Brexit would be brilliant strategy for winning the election.

It's the internal Tory politics stopping a soft Brexit, nothing else.

 

[ELLERS]

My point was that you and I both want the best for the country but we fundamentally disagree what that is. Can’t see what is going to change that. But you apparently know my mind better than I do myself.

I blame Cameron because he ****ed up trying to sort out a Tory party issue. I know you don’t like images and stats, so feel free to ignore, but before the election in 2015 the EU was an important issue for less than 20% of people. Granted immigration was important to many more (although not on a personal level) but as we have discussed endlessly on here, there is more non EU immigration and we have never used the powers available to us to restrict EU immigration.

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If you did that chart now it would probably be the same Sb. However we all knew about the referendum and it needed to be done. Okay, I will agree many people had different reasons to leave and there were probably some that used it as a protest vote but 1.4M isn't a small figure.
I will agree as well, that you and I want the best for our country.

 

[ELLERS]

I don't think anyone is getting any enjoyment from the shambles of brexit.

Sorry bob I can't agree with that. Especially when I read "I think this what I have begun to enjoy about this whole sad fiasco". What is there to enjoy? Whether you are a remainer or leaver we need to get a good outcome from all this and not make sly comments. make of it what you will.

 

[Stroller]

Sorry bob I can't agree with that. Especially when I read "I think this what I have begun to enjoy about this whole sad fiasco". What is there to enjoy? Whether you are a remainer or leaver we need to get a good outcome from all this and not make sly comments. make of it what you will.

Why don't you reply to my posts rather than quoting them out of context to others?

What I said I have begun to enjoy is Brexiteers arguing amongst themselves about whose Brexit outcome is the correct one. I get no enjoyment whatsoever out of watching my country self-harm.

I have said several times on here that I want May to succeed in getting a deal. There are many Brexiteers (including yourself it seems) that want her to fail.

Exactly what Brexit outcome did you have in mind when you cast your vote, Ellers?

 

[ELLERS]

Why don't you reply to my posts rather than quoting them out of context to others?

What I said I have begun to enjoy is Brexiteers arguing amongst themselves about whose Brexit outcome is the correct one. I get no enjoyment whatsoever out of watching my country self-harm.

I have said several times on here that I want May to succeed in getting a deal. There are many Brexiteers that want her to fail.

Exactly what Brexit outcome did you have in mind when you cast your vote, Ellers?

I do reply to your posts.

To leave the EU and have a free trade deal.
No chequers/no Irish border problems and none of this crap that is going on at present.

 

[Stroller]

To leave the EU and a free trade deal.
No chequers/no Irish border problems and none of this crap that is going on at present.

Brilliant. Why did no one think of that?