9/11 - Why the Official Conspiracy Theory Is Lies
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aswordmadeofhash:1210944 said:My one and only comment on this thing ... some of the soldiers were jumped up murdering bastards and others never fired a shot in anger. I don't know which category Dev falls into but he's ok on here so no point dragging it up as we will never know
You could probably say the same of any army in the world
CiaranArdoynian:1210951 said:Couldn't agree more
Should I not question it when it is people related to me? No wonder the British Govt get away with it with you guys, simplistic reasoning there Jip
Simplistic yes. But as a outsider that's the way I'm going to see it. Just as I'm sure the death of Tim Parry was viewed in simplistic terms by people not involved.
Is she a demolition expert/engineer/phd?
There's a very simple explanation eddie, in last night's documentary on the NYFD the Chief said that when he entered the lobby the blast from the plane impact had travelled down the elevator shafts and killed people in the lobby.
You know nothing you angry man.
I'm not angry at all. You have dodged all points I have made regarding the behaviour of British soldiers in Ireland.You want painted as some sort of moralistic guy in a moralistic army. That couldn't be farther from the truth, regarding the army anyway. You don't know what I know. You have no idea about me and mine. About a third of all deaths that happened in the troubles happened within a few miles of my front door. You know **** all about it. You are a pretentious bastard when it comes to Ireland Dev, as oppossed to a fair minded guy when discussing other things
Not everything they told you was true
Controlled demolitions do not bring down buildings several hours after any explosives go off. Try again
Also, it would be nice if you actually addressed our arguments, as opposed to posting youtube videos that are at best only tangentially relevant.
She was there, its whats called a witness Dev
Whoever you heard on bbc documentary, was not a witness, they got there way after the explosion blew the lobby.
Whoever you heard on bbc documentary, was not a witness, they got there way after the explosion blew the lobby.
Arguements about the validity of 9/11 and 7/7 distract us from the real issues of the freedoms we have surrenderd to our increasingly hopless heads of state to protect us from the "bad bad men"
“Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.” Benjamin Franklin
“Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.” Benjamin Franklin
You could probably say the same of any army in the world
Simplistic yes. But as a outsider that's the way I'm going to see it. Just as I'm sure the death of Tim Parry was viewed in simplistic terms by people not involved.
I would never see the death of that child in simplistic terms
I have met his father Colin a couple of times and he is one of my heroes
He knows it's not black and white, Brits - heroes and Paddys - Bad.
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Ill just leave this here...
Ill just leave this here...
Yes. That is not the only reason I am talking about it though. Dev started it though, what you want me to do?
I'm not angry at all. You have dodged all points I have made regarding the behaviour of British soldiers in Ireland.You want painted as some sort of moralistic guy in a moralistic army. That couldn't be farther from the truth, regarding the army anyway. You don't know what I know. You have no idea about me and mine. About a third of all deaths that happened in the troubles happened within a few miles of my front door. You know **** all about it. You are a pretentious bastard when it comes to Ireland Dev, as oppossed to a fair minded guy when discussing other things
Not everything they told you was true
Look, anyone who knows me will tell you I seldom talk about NI because it bores me to be perfectly honest, it saddens me too.
I was attempting to use the "shoot to kill policy" as an analogy for eddie because it's something I have DIRECT experience in unlike the WTC. It was not meant as a wind up nor an attempt to provoke a debate on NI. Likewise anyone who knows me will tell you I never give up on an argument, I will chew on it for months if needs be, i'm not shirking anything- because i'm not angry, I hold no grudges over what was done on either side of the divide and I make no excuses for senseless killings and condemn them when I hear of them.
Your'e right, I don't know you or anything about you but the same goes in reverse, don't judge me based upon what I was.
The second WTC janitor has come forward with eye-witness testimony of a 'bomb-like' explosion in New York's World Trade Center North Tower basement on September 11, 2001.
While working in a sub-level 4 workshop of the North Tower on 9/11, Jose Sanchez heard a bomb-like explosion, had his hair burned and rescued a co-worker who had his leg and knee broken from the basement blast taking place at approximately the same time the jetliner struck the tower's top floors.
Sanchez, who worked for American Building Maintenance Co. at the WTC for 14 years, was unavailable for comment, but made the taped 2002 statement to Rodriguez, recounting his 9/11 personal experience.
“I knew Jose very well since we worked for the same company,” said Rodriguez in a telephone conversation from his New Jersey apartment. “At the time, I taped his statements, I was more concerned about getting people needed assistance and, anyway, back then I really thought the government was seriously investigating the WTC attacks.
“But since then I have learned otherwise. I realize now they are covering-up the real truth and that's why I want to release Jose's statement. What really upsets me and, you can take this message to the White House, is that people like Jose and many others like him who experienced what happened in the basement of the north tower were simply ignored and never interviewed by the 9/11 Commission.
“If they really wanted to get at the truth, these are the very people who should have been interviewed, not public officials who knew very little about what occurred inside the buildings that tragic morning.
“However, instead we all have been ignored in order to cover up the truth. The victims, those who died and the families who lost loved ones deserve nothing less than the truth and I intend to keep talking until the truth is finally told.”
Sanchez's explosive comments, shooting another large hole in the government story, now adds even more credibility to Rodriguez's recent statements that he heard a massive explosion in the WTC basement just seconds prior to the jetliner striking above while working in a sub-level 1 office along side 14 others, all who heard and felt the very same thing as Rodriguez.
While working in a sub-level 4 workshop of the North Tower on 9/11, Jose Sanchez heard a bomb-like explosion, had his hair burned and rescued a co-worker who had his leg and knee broken from the basement blast taking place at approximately the same time the jetliner struck the tower's top floors.
Sanchez, who worked for American Building Maintenance Co. at the WTC for 14 years, was unavailable for comment, but made the taped 2002 statement to Rodriguez, recounting his 9/11 personal experience.
“I knew Jose very well since we worked for the same company,” said Rodriguez in a telephone conversation from his New Jersey apartment. “At the time, I taped his statements, I was more concerned about getting people needed assistance and, anyway, back then I really thought the government was seriously investigating the WTC attacks.
“But since then I have learned otherwise. I realize now they are covering-up the real truth and that's why I want to release Jose's statement. What really upsets me and, you can take this message to the White House, is that people like Jose and many others like him who experienced what happened in the basement of the north tower were simply ignored and never interviewed by the 9/11 Commission.
“If they really wanted to get at the truth, these are the very people who should have been interviewed, not public officials who knew very little about what occurred inside the buildings that tragic morning.
“However, instead we all have been ignored in order to cover up the truth. The victims, those who died and the families who lost loved ones deserve nothing less than the truth and I intend to keep talking until the truth is finally told.”
Sanchez's explosive comments, shooting another large hole in the government story, now adds even more credibility to Rodriguez's recent statements that he heard a massive explosion in the WTC basement just seconds prior to the jetliner striking above while working in a sub-level 1 office along side 14 others, all who heard and felt the very same thing as Rodriguez.
CiaranArdoynian:1211130 said:
Well if that's the case, then I'm sorry if I've been disrespectful or insensitive, and I'll leave it there
All theories that basement bombs were instrumental in the destruction of the Towers are directly contradicted by the accounts of members on Ladder Company 6 who survived the destruction of both Towers trapped in the North Tower's B stairway.
Dev what where ladder 6 doing there before the planes hit 
That is clearly attempting to deny explosions before the towers fell, not before the plane crash....try harder.
Sword, it was a typo pressed 5 instead of 4
That is clearly attempting to deny explosions before the towers fell, not before the plane crash....try harder.
Sword, it was a typo
pressed 5 instead of 4
No problem
I thought you threw it out there as you know there is a lot of Irish Republicans/Nationalists use the site and fancied a ruck. You have been know for the odd wind up Dev, come on now I don't judge anyone as an ex soldier, IRA man or anything. Things happened on all sides that would shame the man underground in the fire.
Have these janitors got an explanation for how explosives can survive being hit by a plane, or be on fire for seven hours before still working exactly as they were meant to?
Well if that's the case, then I'm sorry if I've been disrespectful or insensitive, and I'll leave it there
Don't worry about it. Was a long time ago anyway. **** happened all over but I just don't like it being painted as the mad Paddys and the fair minded, good looking Brits. Not since I am the best looking bastard among us
