Yes. I said regular soldiers killed people. You were a regular soldier? I will be moving nowhere mate Thought you liked a discussion anyway? Not like it when the truth doesn't paint the Brits over here with a flower in the helmet and sweets for the weans?
No i'm ignoring you because I don't want to spoil a perfectly good laugh of a thread with petty squabbling about NI. I only responded to that part because you seem to have trouble with recalling what you posted. You said I killed people, that comment alone has left you looking as if you don't have a clue.
If you found out that a bomb had went off in the basement before the first plane crash, what would that mean to you?
No I didn't say you killed people. I explained what I said. I have plenty of clues. More than an anonymous tool of a self serving Government that sends its young people overseas on false information and lies Have a good evening discussing murder elsewhere but when it's too close to home you shirk it
My one and only comment on this N.I. thing ... some of the soldiers were jumped up murdering bastards and others never fired a shot in anger. I don't know which category Dev falls into but he's ok on here so no point dragging it up as we will never know
Couldn't agree more Should I not question it when it is people related to me? No wonder the British Govt get away with it with you guys, simplistic reasoning there Jip
[video=youtube;b_LlJzR2oYI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_LlJzR2oYI[/video] Wllliam saved countless lives that day, are you going to say anything or question him?
And if you read back Hash that's exactly what I said, anyone who killed a defenceless person is a murderer in my book, to deny that some soldiers did murder would be a lie.
Controlled demolitions aren't just about packing a building with explosives, then setting them off. You need a very specific placement and timing sequence for a building to implode like the WTC did, or else it will topple sideways, or not fall at all. The collapse at the WTC began at the point where the planes hit. Watch any video of the collapse and you'll see that. That means the explosives would have to have been at that point. Which means they would have been obliterated when the planes hit. [/quote] What with the controlled demo of WTC7 that wasnt hit with a plane? Different style to the explosion of the towers.[/QUOTE] It was a steel framed structure that burned for 7 hours. At temperaturs above about 300 celsius, structural steel begins to creep under load. This transfers load to other parts of the structure as the steel undergoes plastic deformation. Eventually, the excess load placed on elements never meant to be load bearing, such as brittle brick and concrete, can cause catastrophic and sudden failure. And again you're faced with the problem of how large quantities of explosives and a sophisticated system of timing and control are supposed to survive in perfect working order in a building that is very, very on fire.
fair enough but its tiresome to one of the saner former soldiers on here ... if it was big bad ben who brought down the 'ra single handedly then i'd join in. dammit thats 2 comments about it curse you dev and curse you ciaran
All theories that basement bombs were instrumental in the destruction of the Towers are directly contradicted by the accounts of members on Ladder Company 6 who survived the destruction of both Towers trapped in the North Tower's B stairway. and The individual whose accounts of explosions in the basements of the World Trade Center have received the most publicity is William Rodriguez, a janitor who helped victims escape from the Twin Towers during the attack. In an interview about his experiences on the morning of 9/11/01, Rodriguez describes hearing an loud explosion in the basement followed a few seconds later by a second explosion that sounded like it came from far above. [SIZE=-1] 2 [/SIZE] Rodriguez' account has been used to support basement bombs theories, including the idea that bombs exploded in the basement just before Flight 11 hit the North Tower. However, there are many possible explanations for Rodriguez' recollections, such as secondary explosions triggered by the crash. Rodriguez, a lauded hero of the 9/11 attack, swears that he saw Mohald Alshehri, an alleged hijacker of Flight 175, in the World Trade Center in June of 2001. [SIZE=-1] 3 [/SIZE] Assuming Rodriguez didn't know Alshehri, this would be a remarkable feat of memory: viewing mug shots of the alleged hijackers, Rodriguez recognized one as being a someone he saw some three months earlier among the thousands of strangers he must have seen in the course of his work. The body of oral histories of emergency responders has dozens of accounts of perceptions of explosions high in the building coinciding with or slightly preceding the onsets of each Tower's destruction. Apparently absent from the accounts are recollections of large explosions low in the Towers at the outsets of these events. That should not be confused with the perception of flashes. Stephen Gregory stated: I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. ... I know about the explosion on the upper floors. This was like at eye level. I didn't have to go like this. Because I was looking this way. I'm not going to say it was on the first floor or the second floor, but somewhere in that area I saw to me what appeared to be flashes. Flashes suggest explosive devices detonating. However, there is no credible photographic, video, or eyewitness evidence supporting the notion that large explosions low in the building preceded the descents of the exploding rubble from around the crash zones down to the ground. Instead, the flashes are consistent with a theory of demolition in which thermobaric devices are detonated in a sequence from the crash zones downward. Since such devices may employ a small charge to disperse the fuel, followed by a secondary explosion to ignite the mixture and produce a large structure-shattering explosion, the flashes seen by Gregory may have been the dispersal charges preceding the main explosions by ten or more seconds.
Yes, yes I am. While he is undoubtedly brave, he's a janitor, not a structural engineer. Being brave doesn't grant you magical knowledge of how structural steel performs at elevated temperatures.
What with the controlled demo of WTC7 that wasnt hit with a plane? Different style to the explosion of the towers.[/QUOTE] It was a steel framed structure that burned for 7 hours. At temperaturs above about 300 celsius, structural steel begins to creep under load. This transfers load to other parts of the structure as the steel undergoes plastic deformation. Eventually, the excess load placed on elements never meant to be load bearing, such as brittle brick and concrete, can cause catastrophic and sudden failure. And again you're faced with the problem of how large quantities of explosives and a sophisticated system of timing and control are supposed to survive in perfect working order in a building that is very, very on fire.[/QUOTE] A very good point.
