Match Day Thread Premier League, Cups & Euro Watch

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I don’t agree. Fergy wasn’t the money man or the guy who built Utds brand. He was extremely lucky that he had a chairman who saw where football was going and capitalised. Remember, Ferguson’s success didn’t start until some years in so during the barren years, he was bank rolled by a very patient chairman.

There is no doubt, however, that once they started to win, his success helped them grow...but it’s folly to suggest that he alone was responsible for the off field finances. The business people were, they capitalised on his success and supported him for more.

I remember one of our legends (Dalglish or Souness) saying that “when/if they get their act together they would be unstoppable and sweep everything in their path” or words to that effect.

There is no doubt that although Ferguson is a very good and talented manager who has deservedly managed a title winning side he had a great deal of luck. Greater luck that someone winning £50m in the lottery. What are the odds of 6 youngsters coming out of the academy to form the backbone of their team for decades? When the premiership was changing with big foreign stars being brought at great expense but also introducing an element of uncertainty and instability, the mancs had a long period of stability with the likes of Giggs Beckham Scholes and Neville at al and that left Ferguson with just adding the odd foreign star player from time to time. I am not saying that he wouldn’t have built a championship winning side anyway but his dominance over such a long period was IMO luck. Pure and simple.

Ferguson’s legacy to his successors was an impossible job. Who could even approach that kind of dominance these days? Almost every one else would pale into insignificance. As for Mourinho , I would be really surprised if he was still their manager by Christmas.
 
I remember one of our legends (Dalglish or Souness) saying that “when/if they get their act together they would be unstoppable and sweep everything in their path” or words to that effect.

There is no doubt that although Ferguson is a very good and talented manager who has deservedly managed a title winning side he had a great deal of luck. Greater luck that someone winning £50m in the lottery. What are the odds of 6 youngsters coming out of the academy to form the backbone of their team for decades? When the premiership was changing with big foreign stars being brought at great expense but also introducing an element of uncertainty and instability, the mancs had a long period of stability with the likes of Giggs Beckham Scholes and Neville at al and that left Ferguson with just adding the odd foreign star player from time to time. I am not saying that he wouldn’t have built a championship winning side anyway but his dominance over such a long period was IMO luck. Pure and simple.

Ferguson’s legacy to his successors was an impossible job. Who could even approach that kind of dominance these days? Almost every one else would pale into insignificance. As for Mourinho , I would be really surprised if he was still their manager by Christmas.

I couldn't say luck sorry.

He bought very well in the 1990s.

Like... schmichael was a great buy. Cole was a huge buy and a risk but he worked in their system. Keane was a good buy, also expensive st the time. Kanchelski.... Rio Ferdinand, vidic, evra, ronaldo...

There is certainly a case to be made today that from mid naughties his buys got much more dodgy.

He picked the right players, improved them, demanded and go huge hunger and levels of performance...

His first good team had Parker, Sharpe, Robson, pallister, Bruce. His second team was greatest and then a third team with tevez, ronaldo, Rooney.

Frankly that's impossible to be luck. Sorry.

He had the backing and the resources and total power but he used them all and had huge hunger to keep doing it.

Credit where it's due.

By the end he was there too long. He wanted to go before it and was convinced to stay. The glaciers did that and are probably reaping the crop of their own disinterest and absentee landlordism.

At this points at Utd has a ****ing clue about football in the boardroom really?

Not sure
 
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In games involving top six the first goal is always crucial. Lukaku missed a sitter and handed the initiative to Spurs.

true.

I just think pochettino got his men in and instructed them well on what he saw as utds weaknesses.

I felt that spurs fell into the hectic run about looking busy game Utd players were at first half.

once the flaws were pointed out spurs dominated the second half and absolutely destroyed that back line.

what did mouri go do at it to fix that back 3...
 
Happy to see west ham doing the best to replicate Koeman and the terrible season everton had.....
 
I couldn't say luck sorry.

He bought very well in the 1990s.

Like... schmichael was a great buy. Cole was a huge buy and a risk but he worked in their system. Keane was a good buy, also expensive st the time. Kanchelski.... Rio Ferdinand, vidic, evra, ronaldo...

There is certainly a case to be made today that from mid naughties his buys got much more dodgy.

He picked the right players, improved them, demanded and go huge hunger and levels of performance...

His first good team had Parker, Sharpe, Robson, pallister, Bruce. His second team was greatest and then a third team with tevez, ronaldo, Rooney.

Frankly that's impossible to be luck. Sorry.

He had the backing and the resources and total power but he used them all and had huge hunger to keep doing it.

Credit where it's due.

By the end he was there too long. He wanted to go before it and was convinced to stay. The glaciers did that and are probably reaping the crop of their own disinterest and absentee landlordism.

At this points at Utd has a ****ing clue about football in the boardroom really?

Not sure
Serendipity.
 
Good point, the club rivalry came into play when the new stadium in Stanley Park was mooted, the local Evertonian councillors and residents were where the main objections were found.

Coincidence?

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Yeah it’s not like there’s been any Kopites cry arseing about BMD even before the planning application has gone in is it mate? <laugh>