Match Day Thread Everton v Southampton Saturday 5th May 17:30

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Moss was poor all game, and the foul against Redmond in the last 90 seconds wasn't one at all. There was also a clear foul from the resulting corner after McCarthy's save from Baines. Right.
 
Yeah, for most of the match, I think that he worked in our favour. As the only team that cared for the first 60 minutes, the level of physicality he allowed was to our liking. Some questionable decisions late, but can't really complain that he changed the outcome; the extension of stoppage time was fair, the second yellow was unequivocal, and the goal was just a combination of bad luck and a pretty awful error on Hoedt's part to catch it with the inside of his leg.

I'd put more of the blame on Bertrand not sending the ball into Anfield, allowing us to reshape.
 
Seriously? So explain where the 4 minutes stoppage time came from in the first place? And then rewind the game and see how long cedric was actually down for.
4 minutes was about right. Refs usually allow 30 seconds for each substitution (there were 5 in the game) and 30 seconds for a goal so that makes 3 minutes. Then there was the sending off and various little pauses for players to get treatment and that sort of thing.
 
If we win on Tuesday, we're 80% safe. Probably 90%, if we can do it by a couple of goals.

What is worrying though is that - putting Moss to one side - we've just played well against a very poor Everton side, who had nothing to play for, and couldn't even win that. I cannot see Swansea being as bad as Everton were for that first hour.

We're also going to have to do it now without Yoshida and probably without Lemina.
 
I'd put more of the blame on Bertrand not sending the ball into Anfield, allowing us to reshape.

No disagreement. I'm not upset with Hoedt; it's just one of those things. Instinct is always going to be to try to block it, but Hoedt misjudged it and as luck would have it got it wrong in the only way that would have caused us any bother.
 
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If we win on Tuesday, we're 80% safe. Probably 90%, if we can do it by a couple of goals.

What is worrying though is that - putting Moss to one side - we've just played well against a very poor Everton side, who had nothing to play for, and couldn't even win that. I cannot see Swansea being as bad as Everton were for that first hour.

We're also going to have to do it now without Yoshida and probably without Lemina.
Stop destroying my optimism with your valid points
 
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I'd put more of the blame on Bertrand not sending the ball into Anfield, allowing us to reshape.

I doubt we'd have even needed to reshape. By the time the ball would have returned, and then thrown in, the whistle would probably have gone before any Everton player could play any sort of pass or shot.
 
4 minutes was about right. Refs usually allow 30 seconds for each substitution (there were 5 in the game) and 30 seconds for a goal so that makes 3 minutes. Then there was the sending off and various little pauses for players to get treatment and that sort of thing.

2 of the subs were at half time.

So 4 subs, so 30 secs for each sub is 2mins. Where did the other 2 come from?
 
but we need to look at the larger picture that these sort of last minute nerves and and nerves when we have a lead have been consistently occurring in our season - today, B'mouth last week, Chelsea, Arsenal, Watford, even our first fixture with west ham.

Hughes needs to address this problem.
 
Maya’s first yellow was no yellow either.

Still, none of that matters. It’s done. Heads up and on to Tuesday.

No it wasn’t. It arguably wasn’t even a foul. Could see why it was given, though. Good acting job. It looked like a yellow in real time. On replay, it wasn’t close.

Second yellow was stupid. Yoshida knew it, too. Still, it happens. Bad decision to challenge there, but not shockingly bad either. Kind of a run of the mill tired legs mistake that just happened to loom large.

We were just very unlucky this game with that red, Lemina getting hurt, deflected goal.

It doesn’t change things that much, on the bright side. Fate is still in our hands. Need to beat Swansea. Would have been worse if Swansea could just play to a draw, but they really can’t do that.
 
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If we win on Tuesday, we're 80% safe. Probably 90%, if we can do it by a couple of goals.

What is worrying though is that - putting Moss to one side - we've just played well against a very poor Everton side, who had nothing to play for, and couldn't even win that. I cannot see Swansea being as bad as Everton were for that first hour.

We're also going to have to do it now without Yoshida and probably without Lemina.

They're strong at Home though, only losing to both the Manchester clubs this season, I think.
 
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No it wasn’t. It arguably wasn’t even a foul. Could see why it was given, though. Good acting job. It looked like a yellow in real time. On replay, it wasn’t close.

Second yellow was stupid. Yoshida knew it, too. Still, it happens. Bad decision to challenge there, but not shockingly bad either. Kind of a run of the mill tired legs mistake that just happened to loom large.

We were just very unlucky this game with that red, Lemina getting hurt, deflected goal.

It doesn’t change things that much, on the bright side. Fate is still in our hands. Need to beat Swansea. Would have been worse if Swansea could just play to a draw, but they really can’t do that.

I'd suggest that they most certainly can. It would mean that a final day win at home to Stoke would almost certainly keep them up, and to be honest even just a draw for Swansea should be sufficient.

If Swansea get a draw against us, all they need to do against Stoke is better what we do against City. That is basically a given.

It would be madness for Swansea to risk losing on Tuesday.
 
2 of the subs were at half time.

So 4 subs, so 30 secs for each sub is 2mins. Where did the other 2 come from?
True. You still have the sending off, the other yellow cards that were handed out, the goal, the countless times during every half of football that players lie on the floor after being fouled (I can't remember how many received treatment but presumably there were some).