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  1. Angry_Physics

    Angry_Physics Well-Known Member

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    I have read in detail what the Belgians did in Congo, it would make one puke, including snatching up political opponents, cutting them to pieces and putting the body parts in drums of acid <yikes>

    The Belgians committed what can only be described as pure evil in Africa, probably the most gruesome of the colonial powers' crimes.
     
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    Trump has been a verified and unashamed "ladies man" for 40 years, he's on his 3rd marriage after all, the only surprise is people and MSM are acting like they didn't already know that, acting like everyone didn't already know that. <ok>
     
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    There is a big difference between being a"ladies man" and paying prossies to piss on you. The former suggests you play the field and women are attracted to you, whereas the latter suggests you have plenty of spare cash and very wet, smelly hair.
     
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  4. Angry_Physics

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    When you asked for evidence, was a bombing of a country hanging in the balance? :bandit:

    When I ask you to bomb another country based on what I read on the internet, do give me ****, do tell me I am batshit crazy, I demand it ;) though I expect you to hold those in power to the same standard
     
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    Yeah the prossies pissing video was completely fake. You know that right?

    I'm far more concerned by the way he lets intel services lie him into bombing countries
     
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    I have never seen it, but that does not mean it does not exist.
     
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    The claim was proven to be nonsense, that's all I can say.

    If you have something to go on, then do share

    If Trump can stick to doing bad **** with his own personal life and not bombing other countries, I can live with that <ok>
     
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    I have not been paying real attention to this thread, or being on here a lot. Evidence for what?
     
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    I have been consistent in this thread, 99% of the nonsense posted about Orangitang is pointless sewing circle claptrap.

    My primary issue with him from the start, which I made clear, was his reactionary nature which makes it very easy for Intelligence services to manipulate him.
    We are seeing the outcome of that right now, not good.

    meanwhile all of the "Russia" "Nazi" "sexist" "ladies man" crap is utterly wasted wind, wasted words, wasted brain cells. Pointless drivel. Not a jot of it matters.
    What does matter is there is a man who can be manipulated emotionally, and that same man has control of 6800 nuclear warheads and the world's by far largest military.

    #priorities
     
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    Making a point on propaganda in education.

    France.
    After WWII most of the French population rightly saw Russia as by far the biggest contributor to Germany's defeat because it is the reality.
    After decades of propaganda, most French now incorrectly think it was the United States.

    Look at Britain Russia in 2004<doh> Nearly as many believe Britain did more than Russia to defeat Germany?!

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    There is a deranged section of US society who believe Trump is bombing Syria to change the news cycle from his lawyer being arrested :emoticon-0112-wonde
     
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    112 tomahawk missiles launched at Syria. Each costs $1.87M to make. That's $224M total. Estimated cost to replace Flint Michigan's pipes? $55M.
     
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    https://www.truthdig.com/articles/h...ing-regime-change-and-driving-the-u-s-to-war/
    How the Syrian American Medical Society Is Selling Regime Change and Driving the U.S. to War
    Max Blumenthal / Gray Zone


    Reports on unproven allegations of a chemical attack in Douma, the Syria city formerly occupied by the Army of Islam insurgent group, invariably rely on a key source: The Syrian American Medical Society (SAMS). Together with the White Helmets, SAMS has been cited by the Washington Post, New York Times, CNN and virtually every Western media organization reporting on the incident. In Douma, SAMS staff have claimed that they treated more than 500 people for symptoms “indicative of exposure to a chemical agent.”

    The group also played a central role in shaping the narrative of a sarin attack in Al Qaeda-controlled Khan Sheikhoun in April, 2017, providing biomedical samples to the Organization for the Prevention of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), which violated its stated protocol by accepting evidence without a verifiable chain of custody. That incident prompted the launching of 57 cruise missiles at a Syrian air base by the American military. Almost exactly a year later, a strikingly similar event is said to have tripped the “red line” again, and is likely to trigger a more robust assault by the US and its allies.

    SAMS claims to be a “non-political, non-profit medical organization,” and is cited as a credible authority by media reporting on the incident in Douma. Scant published material is available on the organization’s origins as an exile arm of the Islamist-oriented Syrian opposition, its involvement in sophisticated influence operations from the Turkish-Syrian border, or its close relationship to neoconservative elements in Washington and Al Qaeda’s affiliate in Syria.

    SAMS is not merely a group of Syrian doctors tending to the wounded in war torn areas, nor can it be considered an objective source on chemical attacks and other atrocities. The organization is a USAID-funded lobbying powerhouse that functions with a single-minded determination to stimulate a US-led war of regime change that will place Syrian Islamists in power in Damascus.

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    SAMS was founded in 1998 by members of the Syrian American exile community, which is concentrated in the suburbs of Chicago, Illinois. Prior to the 2011 armed rebellion against President Bashar al-Assad, the group led several medical delegations to Syria, presumably cooperating with the government to gain access. A former member of SAMS approached me to complain that the armed revolt prompted a takeover of the organization’s board of directors by sympathizers of the Muslim Brotherhood. She said she and other secular and Christian members resigned from the group as it transformed into what she described as “Al Qaeda’s MASH unit.”

    USAID funding, anti-Iran MEK links

    According to SAMS 2015 financial statement [PDF], the organization’s budget jumped from $672,987 in 2013 to nearly $6 million in 2015 — almost a tenfold increase. Over $5.8 million of that funding came from USAID, an arm of the US State Department that boasts its own Office of Transition Initiatives to encourage regime change in states targeted by the West. SAMS Executive Director David Lillie also happens to be a former USAID staffer, as is SAMS Director of Operations Tony Kronfli.

    Throughout much of the Syrian conflict, SAMS operations have been overseen by Zaher Sahloul, an ardently anti-Iran operative dedicated to drumming up a war of regime change against the Syrian government. After unsuccessfully lobbying Barack Obama for a NATO-imposed No Fly Zones over Syria, a policy that Hillary Clinton acknowledged would “kill a lot of Syrians,” Sahloul accused the president of having “allowed a genocide in Syria.” Sahloul was a participant in a September 20, 2016 rally in New York dedicated to ramping up conflict with Iran, as well. The rally was organized by the exiled Iranian People’s MEK, a shadowy international organization dedicated to regime change in Iran that has been described as a “terrorist cult.” Neoconservative former Sen. Joseph Lieberman, a recipient of MEK payments, was among the speakers. Days later, the neoconservative columnist Eli Lake hailed Sahloul and his colleagues as “Syrian-Americans Who Stood Up to Iran.”

    The SAMS-affiliated American Coalition for Syrian Relief has endorsed President Donald Trump’s call for “safe zones” in Syria, a euphemism for No Fly Zones that would require US air power to enforce. Meanwhile, Sahloul has joined up with the Jewish United Federation of Chicago, a leading opponent of Palestine solidarity organizing, to promote his efforts.

    Sahloul’s son, Adham, formerly worked as a SAMS advocacy officer out of Gazientep, Turkey, the base of Western and local intelligence services coordinating insurgent and information operations across the Syrian border. A contributor to various Qatari-backed media outlets like Al Araby and Middle East Eye, Adham Sahloul previously worked for Portland Communications, a public relations firm founded by a former Tony Blair spin doctor. (In 2016, British union leader Len McCluskey accused Portland Communications of spearheading the Blairite coup against left-wing Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn).

    Zaher Sahloul, for his part, has attacked journalistic critics as “the fifth column who have been promoting war criminals,” calling them “the equivalent of the propaganda machine of Hitler.”

    Syrian American Medical Assoc. launches incitement campaign against me/others, claims we’re paid by Assad/Russia pic.twitter.com/8w2eB84tx5

    — Ali Abunimah (@AliAbunimah) October 5, 2016

    Info ops, from Al Qaeda’s heartland to the Beltway

    SAMS assistance coordination units send aid and set up hospital in refugees camps and within Syrian territories exclusively held by Syria’s insurgents. In Idlib, the Al Qaeda-controlled area where SAMS operates alongside the insurgent-run administration, “schools have been segregated, women forced to wear veils, and posters of Osama bin Laden hung on the walls,” according to Joshua Landis, the director of the University of Oklahoma’s Middle East Studies Center. While SAMS claims to operate 100 hospitals in Syria, independent monitoring and evaluation is virtually impossible, as Western reporters seeking access to these areas are routinely kidnapped or killed. In 2015, according to the Washington Post, Chase Bank closed SAMS’s bank account without explanation.

    Sahloul has operated a WhatsApp group that appears to have delivered the first images from insurgent activists in eastern Aleppo to international media of Omran Daqneesh, the so-called “dusty boy” whose shellshocked image was immediately plastered across newspaper front pages and upheld as an exhibit of Assad’s unique cruelty. The original images were taken by Mahmoud Raslan, an activist affiliated with Nourideen al-Zinki, an insurgent group formerly backed by the CIA that beheaded a 19-year-old Palestinian captive.

    A year later, Omran’s father, Mohammad Kheir Daqneesh, revealed that he and his family had been exploited by insurgent activists. A White Helmet snatched Omran from his arms and posed him in an ambulance, Mohammad Daqneesh declared. He also disclosed that his family was offered a lucrative bribe by a Saudi TV demagogue to come out as spokespeople for the armed opposition, but as supporters of the Syrian government, they refused. Following this striking revelation, Omran was swiftly disappeared from Western view and supplanted by professionally managed child mascots of the Syrian Islamist opposition like Bana Alabed, Noor and Ala, and Mohamed Najem. (Like Bana, Noor and Ala were recently treated to a cuddle-filled photo-op with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and granted honorary Turkish citizenship.)

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    Above: A SAMS promotional brochure features a photo of Zaher Sahloul and Mohamed Tennari meeting with then-US Ambassador to the UN Samantha Power

    Back in Washington, SAMS boasts that it has “become a leader in advocacy and policymaker engagement,” lobbying Congress, the State Department and the United Nations for regime change in Syria. “When SAMS speaks, people listen,” reads a quote by an unnamed State Department official published in a SAMS promotional brochure. So much for the “non-political” organization of humble field doctors.

    On April 16, 2015, Sahloul and SAMS’s Idlib coordinator Mohamed Tennari testified before the United Nations Security Council and alleged multiple chlorine attacks against the Al Qaeda-held canton of Idlib by the Syrian government. The meeting was orchestrated by then-US Ambassador to the UN Samantha Power, an outspoken advocate of military intervention in Libya and Syria. (Tennari was subsequently identified as a “Syrian field doctor” in an interview with CNN; his work in Al Qaeda-controlled territory was omitted).

    At its annual gala on March 6, 2017, SAMS welcomed former US Ambassador Frederic Hof, the outgoing director of the Gulf-funded Rafik Hariri Center at DC’s Atlantic Center. Before his audience, Hof called for stepped-up arms shipments to Syrian rebels, a US-led No Fly Zone for Idlib, the Syrian province controlled by Al Qaeda’s local affiliate, and for preventing reconstruction of Syria’s shattered infrastructure until regime change is achieved.

    Just over a year later, acting largely on claims by SAMS field operatives, the US, UK and France appear to be ready to make the Syrian opposition’s dreams come true. And as a potentially catastrophic war looms, Americans remain entirely in the dark about one of the key organizations driving the push for war.
     
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  16. moreinjuredthanowen

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    Have you ever heard of flushing inventory?

    The cost of a few cruise missiles doesn't matter to military. Thry replace with brand shiny new ones with ever greater capability.
     
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    It would not be the first time conflict was instigated just to clear out old arsenals mate.

    Also.. this is ****ing sick, this is what we back

    What do the "rebels" in Syria do with the civilians of the areas they hold? they put them in cages and put them on the roofs of buildings in areas they are firing rockets and mortars from.

    Then if Syrian forces fire back, they take the bodies and lay them out and call for international action
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    This is what we back with money and weapons and missiles
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...aged-pro-Assad-captives-as-human-shields.html
    Syrian "rebels" using caged civilian captives as 'human shields'
     
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    whilst i agree with the general point regarding the contribution of the USSR to the defeat of the Axis forces it is almost impossible to exactly attribute the contributions of the various nations i.e. the point about the UK contribution is we didn't surrender therefore not only tying down Axis forces but more importantly in the long run not handing over control of our industry & resources and without the huge supplies ,mainly from USA, that USSR rec'd from 1943 onwards of wheat & spam to White half tracks difficult to see how they could have carried out operations like Bagration so probably best to say the USA & USSR "won" the second world war the Yanks with industry & technology the USSR with blood.
    The point about propaganda holds true for 1945 by the way as certainly here there was a successful propaganda campaign designed to portray the Bolshevik regime in a positive light.
     
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    The entire German army's professional core died in Russia.
    The German Airforce was destroyed in Russia
    All of the initial crack divisions were destroyed in Russia.
    The vast majority of German armour was destroyed in Russia

    France and Belgium 516,757 dead or missing 399,856 wounded or sick (these were far less quality troops than the troops that invaded Russia after walking through Europe.

    Russia OWK 2,000,000 dead or missing 3,498,059 sick or wounded of the best the German army had to offer in the first two years, with quality declining rapidly thereafter and like Europe

    If Germany never invaded Russia, you and I would be speaking German now

    Plus by the time the US invaded France, Hitler had literally gone insane.
     
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