You consistently make the leap that criticism of A = approval of B. Why do you do that. It's like listening to the BBC.
Yes, but it's a party filled with people for whom clearly you have disdain, and of course, you're perfectly entitled to your views. But what attracted you to the Tory party, over Corbyn's Labour? We've established it wasn't the people, so was it the Tory policies?
Ellers, Goldy anyone. Can you post a link supporting Corbyns pro Russia stance or his jew hating statements please.
Hindsight is a wonderful if not sometimes unfortunate thing. Thought things would get better for me personally but I couldn't be more wrong.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russian-message-intercepted-after-skripal-attack-6t2mkbx0v PD were able to say the nerve agent was probably state made. The UK government have intelligence that Russia is stockpiling it. Right there is another part of the jigsaw.
Where's the twisted PD quote? They said they couldn't identify the precise source. No twist, that's what they said. Debate involves argument, if anyone had definitive fact, the debate would be over, but it's not, not on the not606 politics thread, not in the national political arena and not in the international arena.
Im open to facts, evidence and opinions. I'm totally serious guy Cheers Goldy . After reading that I would have advised caution before pointing the finger. Would have tried looking for more evidence beyond reasonable doubt and then acted. What do you reckon?
My van got pinched 2 nights ago. There's a gypsy site about 10 miles away and a couple of pegs were found on the street. Got to be them
I can only read the first 2 paragraphs, unless I want to sign up. Fair enough, I'd never heard of that, I'll investigate further. State made indicates what? Russia? What evidence of stock piling? I have heard that, but only words. Why do you think our govt made a statement regarding origin so quickly? And given that they did, why did they then consult PD some time later? Have the OPCW released their findings yet? Are you happy with the entire narrative we're being fed? Do you think Assad is responsible for the attack on Saturday? If so, on what evidence? All genuine questions, am interested in your thoughts.
Let's be real about this, Bob. Again, it's small parts that make the whole. No party leader is going to call for all British Jews to be deported. But Corbyn presides over an increasingly anti-semitic party (I exclude the Blairites), has hosted organisations like Hamas that have called for the eradication of the state of Israel from the face of the earth and Corby has called them his "friends", made no comment over an antisemitic painting that would have graced the walls of the Reichtag in 1939, brought back Naz Shah who wanted a "solution" to the Jews and commissioned Chakrabarti's whitewash report and gave her a peerage! Russia - every time Putin carries out a despicable act, Corby attacks everyone that criticises Putin! The electorate are wising up to him
That's the correct way to debate. I don't think anyone can argue that the government has a lot more intelligence/circumstantial evidence than us plebs and it's up to us to believe them or not. When Boris comes out with contradictions with the official source then it reduces our trust in the government as some of us like to think/overthink (depending on which "side" you are on) Whether this is a general mistrust of government, watching too many films, dislike of certain parties there are holes in some of the stories. I'm not sure where i stand on Novichok but its probably the russians. I do know where i stand on Syria (i recently read on BBC some poor newswoman was targetted by bashir and died, that's believable) in regards to their chemical weapon usage. It's pretty easy to get a hold off, his stockpiles were taken away and destroyed and he's pretty much won the war conventionally so it makes zero sense for him to be using chemical weapons to incite the global community. Israel on the other hand are frightened of Syria and Iran (rightly so they are enemies) so i'm going to have to take a pinch of salt when ever the media report chemical weapons being used right at the end of the war. As for BBC reporting on foreign matters, i know all well how it's pretty much 1984-esque and was shocked with their reporting over the riots in HK compared to what i was hearing from a load of my family and friends who were over there.
To be honest Bob, I doubt you will ever have proof "beyond reasonable doubt" in international affairs. Hitler invented attacks by Poles on Germany to give himself an excuse to invade Poland. The international community knew what he was doing, but cast-iron proof was hard to come by. The better proof is "balance of probabilities plus". ie more than just "it was probably Russia" more like, "the aggregate of the evidence shows it was almost certainly Russia", Russia are the only state to have a motive and their reaction to the accusation has been scathingly dismissive to the point of behaving like a troll (comparing the UK to Hercule Poirot etc). No innocent state behaves in that way, faced with such a serious allegations
Intelligence gathering is indeed a huge jigsaw and very often, it takes one last piece of info to complete the picture. This can take years sometimes.
Agree, Col. But if intelligence services have 95% of the picture, they can then set it against historic context ie the Litvinenko murder, Russia's subversive activities in Georgia and Ukraine, Russia's involvement in arming rebels that shot down that passenger aircraft over Ukraine plus of course, stuff that MI6 will know about what Russian agents are doing that is not out in the public domain
That's the only thing i don't agree with. Why are they the state to only have a motive? This is a perfect reason who are anti russia (see america, israel etc) to make relationships even colder between russia and the west. Why would they want that? well they are helping Syria. Yes Russia could have easily poisoned him to send a message (the official story) but it could so easily be the one above. I could point to this guy was in Prison in russia, why would they then release him to give all their secrets away and only decide to kill him 15 years (or whatever it is) later. Anyway, i think most people here suspect russia but some of us would just like a bit more proof rather than just going all journalist sensationalism and spewing outrage immediately.
