The ballot...

[The Omega Man]

Looks like someone else had a pathetic idea and made the papers eh TOM

The Sun!

The protests may well have done more harm than good on this occasion.They diluted the Trusts status as being representative. They gave the owners the opportunity to double the price of Adults and what is worse still INCREASE the price paid by the over 65's.

The principle of concession rates was a valid reason to vote. But no effort was made to promote the first vote. No BBC camped outside the Trusts HQ, no radio or media interviews urging supporters to vote. Nothing.
This left a void that was filled by protest groups and the pathetic, yes pathetic A4 poster protest, showed the owners that in reality there was nothing to lose for them.

Low turnout, no lobbying of support and a lack of viable protest, set back supporter involvement years.

The net reasult is that supporters are cancelling memberships and anyone who thinks that that is a good thing, misses the point. I have cancelled as I am sick to the back teeth of being a pawn in the hands of the owners and the protesters.

You, your kind and the owners can fight this out, me I will watch and wait and be ready to come back when you all have become bored with it all.

 

[dennisboothstash]

Another chance to call me an idiot but here goes.

Everyone refuses to vote in anymore of the clubs rigged ballots.

The HCST hold their own online ballot with their own suggested prices eg £35 adult, £15 OAP, £5 under 18.

They could use the references provided by the club on the last ballot for verification, it could be monitored by their contacts at the FA, invite the club to also verify.

It would show we are willing to accept a price increase for the re-introduction of concessions and people will bother to vote if the options are suitable

You’re not an idiot
The Trust holding their own ballot to show that abstention doesn’t mean disagreement with concessions is a good idea
Problem would likely be the cost, and they wouldn’t be able to use the info the Club has.
Still possible to run it for Trust Members only

 

[Barchullona]

Almost all football clubs allow you to transfer your ticket to someone else if you're unable to attend, it's simply common sense.

Is that without informing them? In these days I find that difficult to believe. For various reasons, starting with people on banning orders gaining admission...

 

[Van Winkle bamber]

You call them protesters I call them Hull City fans, who could be bothered to make a sign to show everyone not involved that this club is charging kids and babies adult price to come and watch football.

 

[TreeHugger]

Another chance to call me an idiot but here goes.

Everyone refuses to vote in anymore of the clubs rigged ballots.

The HCST hold their own online ballot with their own suggested prices eg £35 adult, £15 OAP, £5 under 18.

They could use the references provided by the club on the last ballot for verification, it could be monitored by their contacts at the FA, invite the club to also verify.

It would show we are willing to accept a price increase for the re-introduction of concessions and people will bother to vote if the options are suitable

The idea isn't a bad one. Holding their own ballot would give the Trust something to show the club.

The only problem is that the club wouldn't be able to provide references or any supporter details because of Data Protection. I wouldn't be happy if they handed my details over.

EDIT:I guess the Trust could ask for people’s references and then when they announce the result send the list to The Club so that they can check them if they want to show that the result was valid. They’d have to make it clear to voters that they’d be doing this.

 

[Van Winkle bamber]

You’re not an idiot
The Trust holding their own ballot to show that abstention doesn’t mean disagreement with concessions is a good idea
Problem would likely be the cost, and they wouldn’t be able to use the info the Club has.
Still possible to run it for Trust Members only

I'm not technically minded so don't know how hard it would be ? but get the word out, visit their website, follow the link, put in your name and membership number and vote ?

 

[dennisboothstash]

I'm not technically minded so don't know how hard it would be ? but get the word out, visit their website, follow the link, put in your name and membership number and vote ?

Not complicated if they just do it with Trust members. I thought you were suggesting the whole group eligible for the Club vote.
It would still take some set up and administration though
It’s not a bad idea at all IMHO

 

[originallambrettaman]

Is that without informing them? In these days I find that difficult to believe. For various reasons, starting with people on banning orders gaining admission...

Most clubs don't care who sits in a pass-holders seat, they'd just rather it was used, but even those that do still allow it to be transferred to a friend or family member and for concession passes to be switched to adult passes etc.

 

[look_back_in_amber]

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Easy isn't it. There are none so blind as those who do not want to see.

 

[Edelman]

Another chance to call me an idiot but here goes.

Everyone refuses to vote in anymore of the clubs rigged ballots.

The HCST hold their own online ballot with their own suggested prices eg £35 adult, £15 OAP, £5 under 18.

They could use the references provided by the club on the last ballot for verification, it could be monitored by their contacts at the FA, invite the club to also verify.

It would show we are willing to accept a price increase for the re-introduction of concessions and people will bother to vote if the options are suitable

Imo £35 is to dear.
Most pensioners I know have more disposable income than people with families.
£25 for adults is enough I think.

 

[Edelman]

Most clubs don't care who sits in a pass-holders seat, they'd just rather it was used, but even those that do still allow it to be transferred to a friend or family member and for concession passes to be switched to adult passes etc.

What next !!
Will they have stewards walking around the concourse monitoring people that buy a Pint And if they want to let their friend drink half of it tell them they can't .
Daft comparison maybe but you get the picture !

 

[dennisboothstash]

What next !!
Will they have stewards walking around the concourse monitoring people that buy a Pint And if they want to let their friend drink half of it tell them they can't .
Daft comparison maybe but you get the picture !

Adults who can’t drink a full pint should be banned anyway.

 

[Edelman]

Adults who can’t drink a full pint should be banned anyway.

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Now if it was proper Ale I'd say

 

[GLP]

Barcelona have a resale system for unused season tickets. Club and pass holder get a little bit back - satisfies the football tourists and always ensures the opportunity for occupying otherwise empty seats.

Whilst we are never likely to require this system, I did think it was a great idea.

 

[Fez]

Almost all football clubs allow you to transfer your ticket to someone else if you're unable to attend, it's simply common sense.

Season passes? They will consider it on application, although, as stated earlier, we know they only get vexed if abused - just as I believe would be the case here due to the cost of enforcing it. I wonder when the last time was anyone actually read the T&Cs of Membership Schemes, season passes and match day tickets, as it is enlightening how much of the bullshit written on here is adequately covered and enforceable. I accept being pedantic in their application is daft, but when dealing with facts, rules and regulations, it is best you understand the bottom line and shape your argument accordingly.

 

[Edelman]

Barcelona have a resale system for unused season tickets. Club and pass holder get a little bit back - satisfies the football tourists and always ensures the opportunity for occupying otherwise empty seats.

Whilst we are never likely to require this system, I did think it was a great idea.

Mind you , you often see a lot of empty seats there .

 

[Fez]

You’re not an idiot
The Trust holding their own ballot to show that abstention doesn’t mean disagreement with concessions is a good idea
Problem would likely be the cost, and they wouldn’t be able to use the info the Club has.
Still possible to run it for Trust Members only

I think the big concern would be the same -a low turn out; which is why involvement in a ballot was always a poor option to take.

 

[TreeHugger]

Barcelona have a resale system for unused season tickets. Club and pass holder get a little bit back - satisfies the football tourists and always ensures the opportunity for occupying otherwise empty seats.

Whilst we are never likely to require this system, I did think it was a great idea.

I’m sure we once had a system like that? Tell them you can’t go and if they manage to sell your seat you got £5/£10. Or did I dream it?

 

[Fez]

EDIT:I guess the Trust could ask for people’s references and then when they announce the result send the list to The Club so that they can check them if they want to show that the result was valid. They’d have to make it clear to voters that they’d be doing this.

Which sounds remarkably like my idea of monitoring the no-votes, which was thought impracticable...

...other eyebrow just popped up.

 

[Evington]

I'm not voting this time. Just for the record.