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Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Spurlock, Jan 2, 2012.

  1. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I think that you're both right.
    If teams come in with big money and are massive clubs, then virtually everyone will struggle to keep their players.
    Southampton have been in a bad position because they've produced good players and can't afford to keep them.

    So what can they do? Most of what they're doing is right, but they need to address two things.
    The first is the manager, which we basically ****ed them on, though they did some damage there themselves.
    Having a coach that the players believe in and think will improve them and and the club is massive.
    Shifting out Cortese cost them Pochettino and they also messed up by sacking Puel, in my opinion.

    The second is playing hardball with teams that come in for their best players, up to a point.
    Selling van Dijk for £75m is good business. Do it when you've got a suitable replacement and there's no problem.
    Timing is everything and planning these things out makes a massive difference.
    Their impressive academy makes this even easier.
     
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  2. Diego

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    And at the moment the player they are missing most is Pelle.
     
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  3. "Thanks for that Brian"

    "Thanks for that Brian" Well-Known Member

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    It's a very good point. Having good owners, manager and staff at a club can maintain player loyalty far more than when there's a revolving door policy above. In the last 5 years, Cortese left to be replaced by Leibherr's daughter, who then sold to a Chinese. Mauricio Pochettino replaced Adkins, then Koeman, Puel and Pellegrino. There's no stability or meaningful direction and your team mates keep leaving. The club's lost its direction.
     
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  4. Diego

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    For me that is the biggest problem. Puel got them to 8th and should never have been shown the door so soon, Koeman and Poch were poached so not much they could do about that, Adkins had lost his way a little bit but they jumped too soon looking for glory on top of the things he had give them, Pellegrino is not up to it and had to go. So, some self inflicted some just tough **** like most clubs.
     
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  5. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Koeman was keeping them ticking over because, like Poch, he had them playing in a system that made the team perform at a level greater than the sums of its parts in spite of losing Lovren, Lallana, Shaw and Lambert one summer and Schneiderlin and Clyne the next.

    Puel inherited that system and, for a time, it worked in spite of the additional losses of Mane, Wanyama, Pelle and Fonte - but once the players lost the muscle memory of playing in that system things went downhill, which is why they had a six week run between December and February where they picked up three points from a possible 21 while also picked up six points from 24 in their run-in.

    That's happened a few times to other teams, for example in Bilic's first season at West Scam they had a pretty solid defence as they'd been drilled by Allarshyte to have eight men in their area at any given time for a few seasons - but come the second season the muscle memory had evaporated and the sloppy mistakes began.
     
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  6. <laugh><laugh>

    And I'd say same re Crouchie except he's probably retiring anyway - and Stoke is further to travel for 3 points.... <cheers>
     
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  7. The RDBD

    The RDBD Well-Known Member

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    Correct.
    Why this simple statement appears to be causing
    you such confusion should be a bigger concern for you.


    "What do you think is happening there?"

    Several things that are reasonable causes for
    those Soton players to perhaps leave.

    1. Club stability

    a) Ownership

    Who was going to own the club ??
    What would the new owners strive for ??
    What would their relationship be with the manager etc ??

    b) Change of manager

    Pochettino seemed to establish good rapport/
    trust with those players when he was there.
    His departure may be caused sufficient FUD
    among some that they decided to go elsewhere.


    2. Contracts

    Perhaps players who join Soton (given the current
    performance/status of the club) are getting things such
    as release figure or club performance related clauses
    in the T+Cs of their contracts, that enables them to
    leave under various scenarios.


    3. Mercs / unsettling

    Standard fare (no need to describe further) .


    I suspect the main reasons are 1 and 3.
    And perhaps 2 to a lesser degree (but that itself is
    a vicious circle waiting to happen) .
     
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  8. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    This is either something to do with the Rolling Stones playing at the Manchester United Stadium (that happens to be in the Old Trafford district of Manchester), the hacks pledging their allegiance to the Portuguese Albert Steptoe, or The FA erecting a monument to celebrate 25 years of bending over to Alex Ferguson no matter how much of a **** he was

    please log in to view this image
     
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  9. "Thanks for that Brian"

    "Thanks for that Brian" Well-Known Member

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    How ****ing bad are Sevilla?
    It's a pretty good representation of my view of their game tonight. Dog ****. How bad are Sevilla?
     
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  10. Rocky blue army

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    <laugh>
     
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  11. littleDinosaurLuke

    littleDinosaurLuke Well-Known Member

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    F***ing useless
    Pragmatism can only get you so far
     
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  12. "Thanks for that Brian"

    "Thanks for that Brian" Well-Known Member

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    Sevilla are ****. United have been disgraceful. Fully deserved, too.
     
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  13. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    :emoticon-0136-giggl
     
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  15. littleDinosaurLuke

    littleDinosaurLuke Well-Known Member

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    We were never winning this - so let's concentrate on the F.A.Cup and securing a top four place.
    Sound familiar?
     
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  16. Roo

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    Certainly does. Gotta be gutting going out at this stage when you haven’t had the chance to play anyone decent yet, though.
     
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  17. "Thanks for that Brian"

    "Thanks for that Brian" Well-Known Member

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  18. "Thanks for that Brian"

    "Thanks for that Brian" Well-Known Member

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    Is Jamie Carragher in the 'Revenge Wagon' and driving towards Manchester, windows down, as we speak?

    "2 - 1 Jose, lad? 2- 1?"
     
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  19. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    I'd say approximately this ****e...


     
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  20. littleDinosaurLuke

    littleDinosaurLuke Well-Known Member

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    Thank God. It could have been embarrassing.
     
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