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Ellers, you have to give up this battle on here, you're never going to win and you wont change anybody's mind. The best you will get is a draw and and that's it. Give it rest. And that goes for the rest as well.
Firstly I am not trying to change anyones mind. Secondly, why tell me to 'give it a rest' when some have been nasty and repetitive (and the rest as well) lastly it is a politics thread, if you don't like don't contribute. Are we all suppose to stop debating because you say so? stupid post.
I love it you monkeys x
Ellers by the way I am on here a fair bit because I work on a computer everyday dreaming up new ideas to sell insurance like the Toss pot hypocrite I am.
A man needs relief and this forum is at hand
It’s hand relief
Ellers by the way I am on here a fair bit because I work on a computer everyday dreaming up new ideas to sell insurance like the Toss pot hypocrite I am.
A man needs relief and this forum is at hand
It’s hand relief
LT thinks we cant tell this isn't a Porsche as the snow hides the make
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Here’s my sausage
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Because that’s where I live well those are the houses opposite. Agree they look nothing yet in this silly country you won’t buy one for less than half a million quid. One of Mrs DT’s houses and a cause of many a conflict between us. Nothing clever imo yet her family has a load of them. It’s wrong totally wrong ... I hope the market crashes and mucks their portfolios right up
That’s why my choice of house is in France
It has nothing to do with money or values
And this is why there is a housing crisis in the U.K. My sons have no chance of buying a house thank heavens in the UK so Dad me will ensure they have houses in France ... not houses ... homes
My French car is a v6 3.5 Renault Espace by the way and because I will no longer join in with the sick English housing thing I can afford silly toys
By the way I see the car pictured is a very old model how much did you pay, about $10, 000 they're going for over here.
seems labour loves a bit of id after all
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trump for nobel peace prize???
Trump and North Korea's Kim Jong-un to meet 'as soon as possible'
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North Korean leader Kim Jong-un has invited Donald Trump to meet him, an unprecedented overture which the US leader has said he will accept.
The shock announcement was made by senior South Korean officials in Washington, who passed on a letter from the North Korean leader.
They said Mr Kim had also agreed to halt nuclear and missile tests and was "committed to denuclearisation".
It appears to be a major breakthrough after months of threats and violence.
However analysts warn that such summits are usually the result of years of careful diplomacy so remain sceptical about what these rapidly arranged talks can achieve.
Mr Trump said the development was "great progress" but that sanctions will remain in place until a firm agreement is reached.
North Korea has not yet issued any official comment on the week's developments.
South Korean National security adviser Chung Eui-yong, speaking outside the White House after the meeting, said: "I told President Trump that at our meeting North Korean leader Kim Jong-un said he's committed to denuclearisation."
He added: "President Trump appreciated the briefing, and said he would meet Kim Jong-un by May to achieve permanent denuclearisation."
North Korea has been isolated on the international stage for decades because of its well-documented human rights abuses and its pursuit of nuclear weapons, in defiance of international laws.
Image caption Kim Jong-un had what appeared to be a cordial dinner with South Korean officials this week
It says it needs nuclear weapons and missiles because its survival is under threat. It has carried out six nuclear tests, though it's still unclear whether it could carry out a long-distance nuclear attack.
But South Korea's hosting of the Winter Olympics gave an unexpected window for diplomacy, as rare inter-Korean talks were held to facilitate the North's carefully choreographed attendance.
The South Korean delegation then held landmark talks with Mr Kim in Pyongyang earlier this week.
They returned with a statement saying the North was willing to denuclearise if it felt "it has no reason to retain nukes".
What has North Korea actually pledged?
There are four main things:
The North has halted missile and nuclear tests during previous talks before, only to resume when it lost patience or felt it was not getting what it demanded.
The last point is also significant. The US has had tens of thousands of military personnel in South Korea since the end of the Korea War. The massive annual joint war games infuriate the North, because it believes they are preparation for invasion.
They were due to take place during the Olympics but have been suspended for now.
Is this a victory for Trump?
Mr Trump has repeatedly belittled Kim Jong-un, and last year threatened him with "fire and fury the likes of which the world has never seen before" if he continued to threaten the US. He has at times said there is no point in talking to North Korea.
But Mr Chung made a point of saying it was Mr Trump's "maximum pressure policy" which had brought the parties to this point.
Christopher Hill, formerly the US negotiator with North Korea, told the BBC Mr Trump may have frightened Pyongyang by "looking at options that many American presidents would not have gone for".
But he has also shown flexibility to meet people other presidents might have dismissed, he says.
Our correspondent says Kim Jong-un has also scored a propaganda win, first with the Olympics and now by being seen to reach out to the US.
What about the other major players?
The South's statement also credited "international solidarity" for reaching this point.
That is likely in part a reference to international sanctions, which have increased with each North Korean show of force.
China, North Korea's main economic supporter, has in recent months toughened up its dealings with the North, including on key areas like petroleum and oil, which is thought to be putting a major strain on the North.
Japan, which saw North Korean missiles fly over its territory twice last year, is routinely distrustful of Pyongyang's motives, saying it must commit to giving up its weapons before any talks can take place.
Prime Minister Shinzo Abe welcomed news of a Trump-Kim meeting, but said: "We will keep putting maximum pressure until North Korea takes concrete actions toward denuclearisation."
Have talks like this happened in the past?
No sitting US president has ever met a North Korean leader, but there have been repeated attempts to get North Korea to denuclearise.
The last major effort - the Six Party talks - collapsed in 2008, largely because North Korea refused to allow inspectors to verify that it had shut down its nuclear programme.
A number of bids to restart the talks also collapsed, including in 2012 when North Korea launched another rocket, two weeks after announcing a "leap day" agreement with the US.
Where might these talks happen?
Kim Jong-un is under a range of travel sanctions, so his options are limited. It is thought to be unlikely that Mr Trump would go to North Korea.
They could meet in the demilitarized zone - the border between the North and South - or more likely, China will host them.
Trump and North Korea's Kim Jong-un to meet 'as soon as possible'
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Media captionChun Eiu-yong addresses news conference
North Korean leader Kim Jong-un has invited Donald Trump to meet him, an unprecedented overture which the US leader has said he will accept.
The shock announcement was made by senior South Korean officials in Washington, who passed on a letter from the North Korean leader.
They said Mr Kim had also agreed to halt nuclear and missile tests and was "committed to denuclearisation".
It appears to be a major breakthrough after months of threats and violence.
However analysts warn that such summits are usually the result of years of careful diplomacy so remain sceptical about what these rapidly arranged talks can achieve.
Mr Trump said the development was "great progress" but that sanctions will remain in place until a firm agreement is reached.
North Korea has not yet issued any official comment on the week's developments.
South Korean National security adviser Chung Eui-yong, speaking outside the White House after the meeting, said: "I told President Trump that at our meeting North Korean leader Kim Jong-un said he's committed to denuclearisation."
He added: "President Trump appreciated the briefing, and said he would meet Kim Jong-un by May to achieve permanent denuclearisation."
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North Korea has been isolated on the international stage for decades because of its well-documented human rights abuses and its pursuit of nuclear weapons, in defiance of international laws.
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Image copyright AFPImage caption Kim Jong-un had what appeared to be a cordial dinner with South Korean officials this week
It says it needs nuclear weapons and missiles because its survival is under threat. It has carried out six nuclear tests, though it's still unclear whether it could carry out a long-distance nuclear attack.
But South Korea's hosting of the Winter Olympics gave an unexpected window for diplomacy, as rare inter-Korean talks were held to facilitate the North's carefully choreographed attendance.
The South Korean delegation then held landmark talks with Mr Kim in Pyongyang earlier this week.
They returned with a statement saying the North was willing to denuclearise if it felt "it has no reason to retain nukes".
What has North Korea actually pledged?
There are four main things:
- Mr Kim is prepared to sit down with the US president
- It is "committed to denuclearisation"
- It will halt all nuclear and missile tests
- It understands that US-South Korean military drills "must continue".
The North has halted missile and nuclear tests during previous talks before, only to resume when it lost patience or felt it was not getting what it demanded.
The last point is also significant. The US has had tens of thousands of military personnel in South Korea since the end of the Korea War. The massive annual joint war games infuriate the North, because it believes they are preparation for invasion.
They were due to take place during the Olympics but have been suspended for now.
Is this a victory for Trump?
Mr Trump has repeatedly belittled Kim Jong-un, and last year threatened him with "fire and fury the likes of which the world has never seen before" if he continued to threaten the US. He has at times said there is no point in talking to North Korea.
But Mr Chung made a point of saying it was Mr Trump's "maximum pressure policy" which had brought the parties to this point.
Christopher Hill, formerly the US negotiator with North Korea, told the BBC Mr Trump may have frightened Pyongyang by "looking at options that many American presidents would not have gone for".
But he has also shown flexibility to meet people other presidents might have dismissed, he says.
Our correspondent says Kim Jong-un has also scored a propaganda win, first with the Olympics and now by being seen to reach out to the US.
What about the other major players?
The South's statement also credited "international solidarity" for reaching this point.
That is likely in part a reference to international sanctions, which have increased with each North Korean show of force.
China, North Korea's main economic supporter, has in recent months toughened up its dealings with the North, including on key areas like petroleum and oil, which is thought to be putting a major strain on the North.
Japan, which saw North Korean missiles fly over its territory twice last year, is routinely distrustful of Pyongyang's motives, saying it must commit to giving up its weapons before any talks can take place.
Prime Minister Shinzo Abe welcomed news of a Trump-Kim meeting, but said: "We will keep putting maximum pressure until North Korea takes concrete actions toward denuclearisation."
Have talks like this happened in the past?
No sitting US president has ever met a North Korean leader, but there have been repeated attempts to get North Korea to denuclearise.
The last major effort - the Six Party talks - collapsed in 2008, largely because North Korea refused to allow inspectors to verify that it had shut down its nuclear programme.
A number of bids to restart the talks also collapsed, including in 2012 when North Korea launched another rocket, two weeks after announcing a "leap day" agreement with the US.
Where might these talks happen?
Kim Jong-un is under a range of travel sanctions, so his options are limited. It is thought to be unlikely that Mr Trump would go to North Korea.
They could meet in the demilitarized zone - the border between the North and South - or more likely, China will host them.
It was the model I wanted and took time to find with the techsrt mods I also wanted
You can pick them up for £12k easily but not with the extras Turbo S fetch more
Did you notice the words on the placard of the one in the middle
I think she is referring to the Brexit result.
Did you notice the words on the placard of the one in the middle
I think she is referring to the Brexit result.
Her grammar's not much cop - she's forgotten the question mark!
The one on the right seems to have an issue with Mother Theresa
Silly little muppets just want to have 30 secs of fame.