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Whiteley Saint said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43149694

Trump wants teachers to carry guns..........great more bullets flying about. I wonder how many teachers will resign if this happens. It seems like the NRA run the US not the democratically elected politicians. How many of them have received 'funds' from the NRA? £30m for Trump apparently. 18 school shootings by 14th Feb for 2018 and still nothing gets done.

I'm really hoping that the students manage to band together and through mass peaceful protest force the politicians to make some radical changes.
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The mass shootings at schools are almost always committed by an ex student, if they knew that 1 in 5 teachers carried concealed weapons it may put them off attacking classrooms. I would back a trained person with a pistol against someone with a rifle in a small space like a classroom, but not in corridors or dining areas. if some nutjob really wants to attack a school, knowing there are armed staff will not stop him, but may push the attack out to the car park as the school breaks up for the day
 
benditlikeabanana said:
although the number is correct, it s a bit misleading. the number includes several cases of suicide on school grounds but not students and after school has finished, suicide or accidental shooting like the idiot today, several cases where windows were shot at by people in passing cars, someone shooting a air rifle at a school bus and some university students letting off a gun whilst pissed
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Oh, that's alright then.
 
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benditlikeabanana said:
although the number is correct, it s a bit misleading. the number includes several cases of suicide on school grounds but not students and after school has finished, suicide or accidental shooting like the idiot today, several cases where windows were shot at by people in passing cars, someone shooting a air rifle at a school bus and some university students letting off a gun whilst pissed
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Mmmm I’m still looking to find the common denominator in all of these... I wonder what it might be????

:emoticon-0138-think
 
Archers Road said:
Insufficiently armed teachers, dinner ladies, traffic wardens, lollipop ladies and ice cream van owners?
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What the latest news on the armed guard/cop (?) hiding outside shows is that even if a teacher had a gun in their top drawer for such emergencies whether they would rush out to confront a gunman is a moot point.

There are other problems with arming teachers. Surely the temptation to finally shut up an arrogant in-yer-face adolescent could get overwhelming? So then we'd need to arm the kids. There would need to be an age limit, say about 5 to be safe .... jeez, the logic of it all.
 
Missing Lambo said:
What the latest news on the armed guard/cop (?) hiding outside shows is that even if a teacher had a gun in their top drawer for such emergencies whether they would rush out to confront a gunman is a moot point.

There are other problems with arming teachers. Surely the temptation to finally shut up an arrogant in-yer-face adolescent could get overwhelming? So then we'd need to arm the kids. There would need to be an age limit, say about 5 to be safe .... jeez, the logic of it all.
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The main problem with suggesting arming teachers, which seems to be escaping quite a few commentators on both sides of the Atlantic, is that it's a ****ING IDIOTIC IDEA which should be afforded zero credibility in any rational debate.

The answer to the USA's gun problem isn't difficult ffs. Well, difficult to implement perhaps, due to the power of the NRA, but blindingly ****ing obvious nonetheless.
 
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The kids will know which teachers have the guns. Imagine a teen who gets rejected by a girl at lunch and goes to grab a teacher’s gun. At least when a teen brings a gun to school they have to plan. If the gun is already there it can be spur of the moment. If the teacher’s gun is a pistol fewer will die at a time but I bet it happens more often.
 
Rorschach's Journal said:
There are several pubs in the Devizes area that still have shooting ranges - I was in a team for a while competing in a league. We used 22 rim fire rifles, and would shoot down the length of a 2' diameter tube with a target at the far end. It was pretty tricky because the target was a steel plate with a hole in it not much bigger than the size of the round, and only counted if it went through the hole...there was a remote mechanism that allowed you to wipe a roller over the plate which coated it with whitewash so that the hole stood out and near misses could be seen.
Shooting can be great fun but it needs tight regulation
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The day after my daughter's wedding the wedding party went for an afternoon of archery (family bonding). Actually great fun and surprisingly difficult and physical. The guy running it was an ex-olympian and could hit the the bullseye from 100m. That's dangerous enough for me! Also found out I'm left eyed but right handed which means I had to shoot left handed.
 
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SaintinSerbia said:
The day after my daughter's wedding the wedding party went for an afternoon of archery (family bonding). Actually great fun and surprisingly difficult and physical. The guy running it was an ex-olympian and could hit the the bullseye from 100m. That's dangerous enough for me! Also found out I'm left eyed but right handed which means I had to shoot left handed.
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Am the same SiS, am left eyed, right handed so shoot guns and do archery left handed. I'm hilariously bad doing it the other way but pretty good as a leftie
 
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What are you? A lefty or a righty?
 
Unbelievable how politicians change their minds just to suit their needs rather than their principles. Corbyn now announces labour’s change of stance on Brexit..... I have no doubt that May would have done the same if roles were reversed.

Another example of why I just can’t trust the politicians. It’s just a game and a career of gain for them all.
 
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fatletiss said:
Unbelievable how politicians change their minds just to suit their needs rather than their principles. Corbyn now announces labour’s change of stance on Brexit..... I have no doubt that May would have done the same if roles were reversed.

Another example of why I just can’t trust the politicians. It’s just a game and a career of gain for them all.
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I’ve actually been hoping he would be reigned in by his party a bit so I’m okay with him changing stance a bit. And I’m in favour of staying in the customs union as I think that’s more representative of a 52-48 split than ‘brexit is brexit’.

But its still a bit bollocks when you remember he’s sacked members of the cabinet for being in favour of this IIRC.
 
fatletiss said:
Unbelievable how politicians change their minds just to suit their needs rather than their principles. Corbyn now announces labour’s change of stance on Brexit..... I have no doubt that May would have done the same if roles were reversed.

Another example of why I just can’t trust the politicians. It’s just a game and a career of gain for them all.
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Can't agree with you there fats, sorry. The Labour Party's position has shifted because Keir Starmer, an economist, has managed to persuade Jeremy Corbyn, an idealist, that it is in the UKs best economic interests to maintain membership of a Customs Union with our nearest neighbours and trading partners.

Starmers views are broadly in line with those of the vast majority of Labour Party members.

This is exactly how democratic institutions are supposed to work.
 
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Archers Road said:
Can't agree with you there fats, sorry. The Labour Party's position has shifted because Keir Starmer, an economist, has managed to persuade Jeremy Corbyn, an idealist, that it is in the UKs best economic interests to maintain membership of a Customs Union with our nearest neighbours and trading partners.

Starmers views are broadly in line with those of the vast majority of Labour Party members.

This is exactly how democratic institutions are supposed to work.
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Spot on Archers.
 
fatletiss said:
Unbelievable how politicians change their minds just to suit their needs rather than their principles. Corbyn now announces labour’s change of stance on Brexit..... I have no doubt that May would have done the same if roles were reversed.

Another example of why I just can’t trust the politicians. It’s just a game and a career of gain for them all.
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Just remember the rules of politics.

When you agree with someone changing their mind (or are on “their team”) the change of mind is a sensible, practical acknowledgement of facts that shows their flexibility, pragmatism, adaptability and leadership skills.

When you don’t agree with their new position (or they’re on the “other” team) they’re either an opportunistic, two-faced liar who can’t be trusted or have been forced into a humiliating u-turn because they’re a terrible leader and nobody supports them.
 
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Puck said:
Just remember the rules of politics.

When you agree with someone changing their mind (or are on “their team”) the change of mind is a sensible, practical acknowledgement of facts that shows their flexibility, pragmatism, adaptability and leadership skills.

When you don’t agree with their new position (or they’re on the “other” team) they’re either an opportunistic, two-faced liar who can’t be trusted or have been forced into a humiliating u-turn because they’re a terrible leader and nobody supports them.
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I usually just see it as a mistaken initial position or a mistaken new position. Just the right nearly always have a mistaken position both times :)

Disclaimer: Wording may vary.


Thats excluding populists who don't have an initial position.
 
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