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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. benditlikeabanana

    benditlikeabanana Well-Known Member

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    i had a girlfriend that won the golden arrow at Nottingham with the longbow, we lived in a quiet village in Leicestershire. she kept her longbow and training bow with arrows hanging on wall just in case. having seen her shoot, i think i would prefer to be faced by some scumbag with a hand gun, rather than a pissed off woman holding a longbow
     
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  2. Whiteley Saint

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    Don't even need to go half that far back. After the assassination of Kennedy, a ban was placed on mail-order weapons. After the Black Panthers took to patrolling with firearms, Reagan (as governor of California) passed a ban on open carrying weapons in populated areas. George HW Bush got a ban on the importation of semi-auto rifles, and Clinton got a ban on some classes of assault rifles (including the stock AR-15, which is the weapon of choice for spree killers). All were accepted as constitutional then, and likely would still be constitutional despite the much broader application of the Second Amendment currently in vogue.

    It's not a constitutional problem in the US; it's a political one. And yeah, part of the political problem is that the current arbiters of constitutionality are much more activist conservative than has been the case for much of American history. But for more than two hundred years, it was acknowledged that jurisdictions, from local to federal, had the right to limit possession and carry of firearms. It's only the last couple decades where the near-unlimited right to possess and wield guns has been proffered as the original intend of the framers, and that coincides with the coopting of the NRA as the (well-funded) lobbying wing of the gun manufacturers.
     
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  4. ImpSaint

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    The only badge I got in the Scouts (I am a lazy fecker) was "master at arms." Got at Poacher (the international scout camping weekend) when it was held on the Lincolnshire Showground in the late eighties.

    Had to shoot an air rifle 10 times at the target (scored 99/100) and then answer some questions about guns. One and only time I have actually held let alone fired a gun. Good buzz for that 10 minutes. Never felt the need to do it again.

    A couple of friends are into Clay Pigeon shooting. One of them is pretty vocal online and campaigning about gun restrictions.
     
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  5. woolstonian

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    There is a range in the grounds where I work. I use my Dad's old BSA 22 air rifle when I want to let off some steam at lunchtime.
    I, and others, do get the odd double-take walking through the car park wearing a rifle holster.
     
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  6. Schrodinger's Cat

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    There are several pubs in the Devizes area that still have shooting ranges - I was in a team for a while competing in a league. We used 22 rim fire rifles, and would shoot down the length of a 2' diameter tube with a target at the far end. It was pretty tricky because the target was a steel plate with a hole in it not much bigger than the size of the round, and only counted if it went through the hole...there was a remote mechanism that allowed you to wipe a roller over the plate which coated it with whitewash so that the hole stood out and near misses could be seen.
    Shooting can be great fun but it needs tight regulation
     
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  7. benditlikeabanana

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    It is fun shooting at a range, but for about 10 minutes or so. I can not understand Americans going to the range each weekend and spending the day shooting their 17 guns. When I was a kid I was in the cadets and got my marksman ranking on a Lee Enfield 303, 5 rounds in a 10 inch group at 500 metres with basic iron sights, these days I would not even see the target
     
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  8. Whiteley Saint

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43149694

    Trump wants teachers to carry guns..........great more bullets flying about. I wonder how many teachers will resign if this happens. It seems like the NRA run the US not the democratically elected politicians. How many of them have received 'funds' from the NRA? £30m for Trump apparently. 18 school shootings by 14th Feb for 2018 and still nothing gets done.

    I'm really hoping that the students manage to band together and through mass peaceful protest force the politicians to make some radical changes.
     
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  9. SaintStu

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    If IS wants to destroy America, all they have to do is open a few more gun shops and let them legally do it for themselves!
     
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    I really think that gun control could be Trump's poll tax, he is bound to lose a fair amount of his support over this IMO, I don't believe that over 50% of Americans want guns after this.
     
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  11. MIsaints

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    I don’t think so. These mass shootings happen nearly every year at a school or night club. A large group of people live in so much fear (most of it put in their heads by people like Trump and the NRA) they want more guns not less. They fear the terrorists are just outside their door and need an AR-15 to make sure they don’t get in.
     
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    Yeah, the British and American attitudes to guns are so different it’s crazy. All too often we simply don’t understand the other group’s view at all.
     
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    18 school shootings by 14th Feb for 2018”

    When I read this statement, a few days ago, I thought it was a misprint, but it appears not.
    Shocking.
     
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    What gets me(even more than all the other stuff) is that he says the threat of death will stop these people when many of them go in with the intention of shooting themselves at the end of it. <doh>
     
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    What a sick, sick country....:emoticon-0145-shake
     
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  17. Whiteley Saint

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    Can't believe that the same electorate that voted in this man voted in Trump, it must've been the Russians!...
     
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  19. Whiteley Saint

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    Looks like the Russians are going to block a ceasefire in Syria that the UN are trying to pass to help the civilians there. Putin is sticking his fingers up at everyone and getting away with it so far.
     
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  20. benditlikeabanana

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    although the number is correct, it s a bit misleading. the number includes several cases of suicide on school grounds but not students and after school has finished, suicide or accidental shooting like the idiot today, several cases where windows were shot at by people in passing cars, someone shooting a air rifle at a school bus and some university students letting off a gun whilst pissed
     
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