The only comparable stats are from his first Chelsea stint.
P 136, W 80, D 29, L 27 GF 245, GA 121, win% 59
Quite attacking really.
The only comparable stats are from his first Chelsea stint.
P 136, W 80, D 29, L 27 GF 245, GA 121, win% 59
We did have Houllier though. Oh, and Roy Hodgson!!!
Did you not enjoy GH trophy collecting?
He didn't say that though. His comment about being defensive was nothing to do with Rafa's CL team, it was an added generalised comment about what he could and couldn't tolerate with defensive formationshe said he can tolerative a defensive (boring) team if he thinks the team is inferior. What more is their to say?

He didn't say that though. His comment about being defensive was nothing to do with Rafa's CL team, it was an added generalised comment about what he could and couldn't tolerate with defensive formations![]()
tbh I don't take anything you say seriously but as it's a discussion board I saw an opportunity to ..... discussYou think my
You think my reply to Astro was serious?
He's already 'liked' my comment where I said he didn't say what you'd eluded to - which suggests he agreesyes but it was in response to our debate on Rafa and his defensive nature in the CL.
@Zanjinho you can confirm this for our friend please.

I've said more than anyone that I'd rather play good football and win ****all![]()
You will have read how much I disliked the footy under Houllier. I often missed games because of it. Football is supposed to be entertaining!
Rafa was different. I understand your point based on the team structure but Torres, Alonso, Gerrard and Mascherano were not boring to watch!
Here are his posts on the 'debate' about Rafa. Which one of them talks about Rafa's defensive play in the CL?They're was also zero expectation in the CL year because ate squad was a bag of ****. We had no right winning that trophy!
I can tolerate a manager being defensive if it's the best option considering the two squats involved in a game. I can't tolerate a manager getting several windows and maintaining that defensive stance.
(I wrote) he said he can tolerative a defensive (boring) team if he thinks the team is inferior. What more is their to say?
(zanj wrote) It wasn't boring to us at the time because we were managing to win despite everyone under the sun expecting us to get demolished! We were ****e so we had to defend. Winning is always enjoyable but the actually game play when defending for your lives? Not so much.
That was only his first year btw. After that we had structure but maintained an attacking flair until G&H cane along and ripped the sole out the club.
Here are his posts on the 'debate' about Rafa. Which one of them talks about Rafa's defensive play in the CL?

Yeah, Rafa was so defensive in the CL he won away at Barca( only English club to beat them in the CL at the Nou Campe)and Real Madrid in the Bernabau.
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tbh I don't take anything you say seriously but as it's a discussion board I saw an opportunity to ..... discuss
We "beat" Barcelona, Napoli and Bayern to win our CL. I can't believe people would say we fluked it and played boring footie to do it either![]()
Not to mention the Olympiacos gameYeah, Rafa was so defensive in the CL he won away at Barca( only English club to beat them in the CL at the Nou Campe)and Real Madrid in the Bernabau.
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Hold on a minute Bobby. You made your assertions about him tolerating boring CL football under Rafa [which he never said btw] before he made that post you've just highlighted. After you'd 'accused' him of something he never said, he wrote that posthow about this post
he said he enjoyed it. He said it was defensive. this in reference to the CL.
So even though in the prior to and fros zanj didn't explicitly say rafa was boring in the CL run but alluded to it, he's pretty explicit here when i've maintained the argument that defensive = boring.

No we're notTo be fair, Europe’s elite are hardly going to be nervous about seeing Ings in the squad are they.

how about this post
he said he enjoyed it. He said it was defensive. this in reference to the CL.
So even though in the prior to and fros zanj didn't explicitly say rafa was boring in the CL run but alluded to it, he's pretty explicit here when i've maintained the argument that defensive = boring.
Hold on a minute Bobby. You made your assertions about him tolerating boring CL football under Rafa [which he never said btw] before he made that post you've just highlighted. After you'd 'accused' him of something he never said he wrote that post![]()
Yeah, Rafa was so defensive in the CL he won away at Barca( only English club to beat them in the CL at the Nou Campe)and Real Madrid in the Bernabau.
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He's been trying to twist my words throughout. Only works if someone is being defensive to protect their club. It won't work with me when I'm just sharing my honest thoughts/feelings on the subject.