Sorry banksy don't agree with this , waiting times came down massively and funding increased under Blair , especially when he first got in . Don't have exact figures , but remember through experience
Off Topic Time more people spoke out
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In practice name the last time a government in this country had over 50% of the popular vote , I don't think any in my life time have , who got the popular vote In last US election , it wasn't Trump.
EU referendum was just that a referendum, not an election , there was therefore one question do we stay in the EU or come out , i.e. A binary vote in or out & we voted out , admittedly it was close but we voted out so we come out .
No it doesn't mate. When the Tories won a majority did they have 100% of all MP's?
By the way if the result was 52% to remain 48% leave ide be arguing as strongly to remain , the way I voted isn't the issue it's sticking to the outcome I believe very strongly in.
They get control. As others pointed out the EU vote was binary. Elections are about win and lose. Red or blue win they get control. Bristol is a Labour City but we get a Tory Government. I vote labour but get a Tory Government and do not expect them to change for me as it was the democracy we have that put them there. The EU vote is no different. Out won.
And if they ran another referendum again there are many IN voters who would feel the same, I truly believe out would win by a bigger majority.
Completely agree that we need to stick to the out vote but the hypocrisy from some of you gents about 'democracy' is mind-boggling.
Let's just ride it out anyway because we all know it's going to be a sh*tshow one way or another with the people we have in charge.
Let's just ride it out anyway because we all know it's going to be a sh*tshow one way or another with the people we have in charge.
In an election you vote for an MP, the candidate that wins in your constituency represents you in Parliament, technicality your MP could win by 1 vote , but would still win the seat.
You are not comparing like with like.
Sorry to repeat myself but a referendum is different to an election it's binary , in or out , yes or no , not maybe or possibly
Your definition of how democracy and referendums work is 'mind boggling' to the majority of us Rob.
When people call people hypocrites for having a different view usually shows either a lack of intelligence or they are losing the debate , I don't believe it's the former with you Rob .
As you say let's just ride it out and see what happens as regardless what we think what will be will be.
Didn't take long for the insults to start. After 79 there will be people who took part in strikes and took part in demos on this thread. I was taken to court for non payment of poll tax in later years. If this storm arrives as you say it will you can still stand up for yourself without revolution.
It's nothing to do with losing the debate. The fact is my viewpoint is closer to a representative democracy than yours is. Without meaning to sound too arrogant, that's beyond opinion, that's fact. Allowing a small majority to dictate the entire policy is in no way 'representative'.
The above is not really up for debate. What the debate is over is whether the 52% should have 100% of the decision-making or not, which is a fair debate to have.
There's no point going around in circles. Most of us want out, we're agreed in that. I just think if 48% of the population vote for something, (a staggering amount to be ignored I might add), they deserve a voice. But hey, that's just me. Regardless of whether it was a binary vote or not, ignoring 48% of the population entirely is close-minded to the point of recklessness.
It's 100% not meant as an insult. I just see that point of view as hypocritical. I'm not attempting to put anyone down or abuse - I just see a contradiction, so I state hypocrisy as a viewpoint and not as a disrespectful comment
. It wasn't meant that way but I'm sure no one here was genuinely insulted by that comment.
So let's see what we've agreed to leaving the EU (involves customs union + single market) , sticking to the good Friday agreement , how much we will pay (were always going to have to pay our fair share), fair agreement to settlement rights for EU in Uk and uk in EU
The next things to do is the trade agreement including the financial passport, the science thing , sharing of police information and any tariffs if any (they will limit them as it would cost them more) so hold your horses til we have further clarity before saying it'll be good or bad
The next things to do is the trade agreement including the financial passport, the science thing , sharing of police information and any tariffs if any (they will limit them as it would cost them more) so hold your horses til we have further clarity before saying it'll be good or bad
Ok, give a reasonable explanation of how you would appease the 48% in this process, you have agreed we need to leave, I have explained that the EU will not allow us to leave and remain in the free trade agreement and customs union and as that is the 2 main issues on which everybody voted, I am interested to understand how you think any government could resolve that?
What isn't up for debate as it's fact is that we live in a parliamentary democracy , i won't patronise you by explaining what that means , but it certainly doesn't mean what you quote as democracy , but that's irrelevant as like I've explained several times , but you don't seem to grasp this was not an election it was a binary referendum, as I've also explained we previously had one regarding Europe and abode by the result , that's the whole point , once you start picking and chosing which result you accept and which one you don't it's a slippery slope.It's nothing to do with losing the debate. The fact is my viewpoint is closer to a representative democracy than yours is. Without meaning to sound too arrogant, that's beyond opinion, that's fact. Allowing a small majority to dictate the entire policy is in no way 'representative'.
The above is not really up for debate. What the debate is over is whether the 52% should have 100% of the decision-making or not, which is a fair debate to have.
There's no point going around in circles. Most of us want out, we're agreed in that. I just think if 48% of the population vote for something, (a staggering amount to be ignored I might add), they deserve a voice. But hey, that's just me. Regardless of whether it was a binary vote or not, ignoring 48% of the population entirely is close-minded to the point of recklessness.
It's 100% not meant as an insult. I just see that point of view as hypocritical. I'm not attempting to put anyone down or abuse - I just see a contradiction, so I state hypocrisy as a viewpoint and not as a disrespectful comment
Anyone notice that MTG started this thread and has not commented?
Think he’s trying to rile a few people up here.
Think he’s trying to rile a few people up here.
Without wishing to sound arrogant your above answer suggests you don't understand what a parliamentary democracy is.