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dbc said:
Not according to the NHS

  • In March 2017 there were 30,613 advertised vacancy full-time equivalents published in England, this compares to 26,424 in 2016 and 26,406 in 2015.
https://www.digital.nhs.uk/catalogue/PUB30033

But happy to look at your source for the 86,000 figure
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The Government seem to have it under control,they brought it down from 40,000 to 30,000 in just 1 afternoon yesterday.See your posts for the link.<laugh>
 
lifecheshirewhite said:
The Government seem to have it under control,they brought it down from 40,000 to 30,000 in just 1 afternoon yesterday.See your posts for the link.<laugh>
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I did look at my links if you had looked at them you would have seen

The RCN calculated this figure by asking every NHS Trust in England (barring ambulance trusts) how many full-time equivalent* (FTE) nursing places they had been funded for and how many vacancies they had. 76% of Trusts responded and said that they had around 30,200.

The RCN took that figure and estimated that the overall number would be around 40,000 if all the Trusts had responded.

https://fullfact.org/health/are-we-short-40000-nurses/
 
dbc said:
I did look at my links if you had looked at them you would have seen

The RCN calculated this figure by asking every NHS Trust in England (barring ambulance trusts) how many full-time equivalent* (FTE) nursing places they had been funded for and how many vacancies they had. 76% of Trusts responded and said that they had around 30,200.

The RCN took that figure and estimated that the overall number would be around 40,000 if all the Trusts had responded.

https://fullfact.org/health/are-we-short-40000-nurses/
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Estimated,you mean made up,maybe the other 24% had 30,000 too many Nurses,so lets estimate there is no shortage at all.<ok>
 
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lifecheshirewhite said:
Estimated,you mean made up,maybe the other 24% had 30,000 too many Nurses,so lets estimate there is no shortage at all.<ok>
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As the results are based on vacancies of funded positions it wouldn't be possible for them to have a surplus.

Feel free to check out their workings here *warning* may contain factual based evidence

https://www.rcn.org.uk/professional-development/publications/pub-006195

Results

One basic way to calculate the total number of vacancies across England is to use the whole figure from the 76% data return and, using the average, scale up from trusts who reported 30,224 registered nurse vacancies. This crude method provides a total of 39,603 nurse vacancies. The total band 5-8 nursing funded establishment figure provided was 272,228 and the total band 5-8 vacancy figure was 30,224 giving vacancy rate of 11.1%. When the total funded establishment figure is scaled up based on the response rate, we estimate this to be approximately 337,500. We also looked at two other approaches, scaling up the 76% data return to a whole figure by using the average based on Trust type. We also did this by Health Education England region. Details are provided in the two tables below. This provides a range from 38,901 to 40,958 registered nurse vacancies, respectively. Based on the consistency of the results of the three different methodologies we are confident that as of 1 December 2016 there were approximately 40,000 vacancies of registered nurses in England.
 
dbc said:
As the results are based on vacancies of funded positions it wouldn't be possible for them to have a surplus.

Feel free to check out their workings here *warning* may contain factual based evidence

https://www.rcn.org.uk/professional-development/publications/pub-006195

Results

One basic way to calculate the total number of vacancies across England is to use the whole figure from the 76% data return and, using the average, scale up from trusts who reported 30,224 registered nurse vacancies. This crude method provides a total of 39,603 nurse vacancies. The total band 5-8 nursing funded establishment figure provided was 272,228 and the total band 5-8 vacancy figure was 30,224 giving vacancy rate of 11.1%. When the total funded establishment figure is scaled up based on the response rate, we estimate this to be approximately 337,500. We also looked at two other approaches, scaling up the 76% data return to a whole figure by using the average based on Trust type. We also did this by Health Education England region. Details are provided in the two tables below. This provides a range from 38,901 to 40,958 registered nurse vacancies, respectively. Based on the consistency of the results of the three different methodologies we are confident that as of 1 December 2016 there were approximately 40,000 vacancies of registered nurses in England.
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I think you should have sussed it by now.
Evidence is always fake news and experts don’t exist to Bremoaners.
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dbc said:
As the results are based on vacancies of funded positions it wouldn't be possible for them to have a surplus.

Feel free to check out their workings here *warning* may contain factual based evidence

https://www.rcn.org.uk/professional-development/publications/pub-006195

Results

One basic way to calculate the total number of vacancies across England is to use the whole figure from the 76% data return and, using the average, scale up from trusts who reported 30,224 registered nurse vacancies. This crude method provides a total of 39,603 nurse vacancies. The total band 5-8 nursing funded establishment figure provided was 272,228 and the total band 5-8 vacancy figure was 30,224 giving vacancy rate of 11.1%. When the total funded establishment figure is scaled up based on the response rate, we estimate this to be approximately 337,500. We also looked at two other approaches, scaling up the 76% data return to a whole figure by using the average based on Trust type. We also did this by Health Education England region. Details are provided in the two tables below. This provides a range from 38,901 to 40,958 registered nurse vacancies, respectively. Based on the consistency of the results of the three different methodologies we are confident that as of 1 December 2016 there were approximately 40,000 vacancies of registered nurses in England.
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Only its not a fact is it,just more of the same 2+2=9 from remain.<doh>
 
LeedsLover said:
Oh dear, fake news.

http://newsbison.info/2017/12/20/fa...rexit-remainers-now-11-point-lead-leave-dont/
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dbc said:
I'll see your 0.17% of the population and raise you 0.21% who have asked for a 2nd referendum on the final deal at the same government petition website.

Oh and if the 'Don't Knows' are forced to make an opinion then it's actually an 11 point lead for remain but in the interests of fairness will point out that the polls don't show much change from original voting. It's mainly the opinion of people who didn't vote that has changed. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5186797/Britons-Remain-Leave-10-points.html

However it'd be wrong to dismiss their opinion as was shown in the last election you can't now take for granted that people who didn't use to vote will continue not to vote.
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Pointed this out when it was first came out.

Don't forget that since the vote you now have about 1.5 million people who have now reached voting age. If it goes to a full parliament then that figure will be 3.75 million. In that survey those aged 18-34 support remaining in the EU 71% compared to 23% wanting to leave.

It's only when you get into 55+ age group that you find a majority support for leaving over remaining. 60% leave compared to 38% remain. Last year there was just under 300,000 deaths reported so about 1.5 million people will not be voting in the next election. The majority of those are aged over 55.

As I said the last election proved you can't take it for granted that these people who didn't vote before won't vote in the next election.
 
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