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Nope. There was a directive sent out to referees here last season after the Arsenal handball winner at Burnley. If the handball results in a goal then it's disallowed.As I remember Andy Johnson doing once against your new good-buddy's on here team - it was still a goal as it wasn't deliberate. Them's the rules Tobes - but then, you know that already, don't you?
**** rule that tbh, you agree?
The bottom line is the ball bounced up and brushed his arm, couldn't have been more unintentional. The ref didn't give it, **** happens.
nah sorry, not sure we should be making a mockery of a sport by allowing people to be handballing it into the net.
If he intentionally handled it I'd agree. Totally accidental as it took a slight deflection off a WBA player.
The game keeps changing rules like this, no-one knows what the **** to believe nowadays.
i think it's reasonable to not charge defenders with accidental handballs (seeing we dont know if it will end up in the back of the net) and to charge strikers with handball if they handball it into the goal
No. If you gain an advantage from a handball, and scoring a goal with it, classes as gaining a significant advantage, then the intent is rightly irrelevant
Turn that on the defender though. If the defender unintentionally handled the ball and saved a goal from being scored...is that a pen?
I thank Tobes for telling me about the update, and again I say I stand corrected. But anyone who thinks Solanke deliberately punched that in a-la-Maradonna is ****ing nuts, and if he'd have done that in his own box and a penalty been given it would have been nearly as ludicrous as the one given for Brighton against us, that everyone is conveniently ignoring.
i think it's reasonable to not charge defenders with accidental handballs (seeing we dont know if it will end up in the back of the net) and to charge strikers with handball if they handball it into the goal
So the defenders can get away with unintentionally handling the ball in the box? What a load of ****e (not you, the rules if thats the case).
You gain an advantage if the ball hits your hand accidentally in the box, even if it's goal-bound, but usually a penalty is not given.
Competely irrelevant to a player being able to handle the ball into the goal legally
That's bollocks though as for it to be deemed accidental then the hands would have to be in front of the torso or down by your side. Solanke had the arm he put the ball in with outstretched and a defender would be penalised if he stopped a certain goal with an outstretched arm
So if Coutinho (for example) hit a belting shot and it hit the defenders arm (accidentally) and the ball didn't go in due to that it's fine, yeah?
i think it's reasonable to not charge defenders with accidental handballs (seeing we dont know if it will end up in the back of the net) and to charge strikers with handball if they handball it into the goal
So, in summary, Cahill and Terry can lean into a shot and push it away with both hands and it's deemed 'accidental', Andy Johnson can miss a header against Sunderland but the ball hits his wrist and goes in (an the ref and MoTD commentators all agree afterwards that it's accidental, so still counts), and the ball hits Solanke's knee, chest then forearm, but that's an infringement?
Btw, I'm not wighning about the result, as in the whole game we probably only created three clear cut chances and we were dreadful (and kudos to West Brom for being organised and creating a chance or two of their own), but saying accidental handball should count more in one box than the other is arseholes. And yes, I do know about the 'gaining an advantage' thing, but that it meant to cover having your hands in an unnatural position or starfish jumping in walls and suchlike.
not saying whos benefitted or not.
Was just telling sky how would i treat the rules (what i said isn't actually the rules).
As for solanke handball, common sense is to call that a handball (as he actually scores by it accidently hitting his hand, tbh that handball where he tries to chest it and it goes onto his hand is always called as a handball even outside the area if we go on this one example, how many times do we see a striker chest it down and it then goes onto their hands and its called), just like it would have been common sense to call sanchez handball in the FA cup final and against Hull (they weren't but hey ho)