Off Topic Politics Thread

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Schad said:
Well, apparently there is a situation where the state of Alabama will elect a fairly liberal Democrat, and it is when the Republican candidate is credibly accused of having a thing for underaged girls. Granted, he only lost by 1.5% or thereabouts, but progress!
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And the BBC that have been peddling their new "fake news advice service" forgets that they hoorahed last month because Trump's pick didn;t win the primary and have been pushing Moore as being "Trump's man."

I look forward to the BBC's fake news service. No doubt to be headed up with reality checks from Hans Christian Anderson and Roald Dahl..........aka Kuennsberg and Hugh Pimms.

In other news.......how come all of our cyclists and athletes are asthmatic or have other health issues that require legal amounts of banned substances? I know they are all squeaky clean and all but aren't there any non asthmatics in elite sports?
 
Archers Road said:
That sounds nothing like the Labour Party I know and love. The grass roots is, and always has been, made up of people who share a common belief in a fairer distribution of opportunity and reward, and a society that looks after all it's members. The leadership may have been compromised or corrupted by the struggle for power, but your description of a Labour Party that has lost sight of it's principles is way off the mark frankly.

As for Jeremy Corbyn, I don't share all his views, but there is no doubt that he has energised and inspired the grass roots. I admit he may be off putting to some aspirational voters and supporters, those who perhaps identify as middle class (like the ones Tony Blair worked so hard to win over).

Someone like you Imps, should be a prime prospect for a Labour Party led by JC.
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Jeremy Corbyn.........a man that holds firm to his principles.............that is ignoring his principles and siding with the remainers!!!!

If he does get in I hope he does stick to his principles and tell all the rest of his party (that are exactly the Labour party I describe) that BREXIT MEANS BREXIT. lol
 
ImpSaint said:
Jeremy Corbyn.........a man that holds firm to his principles.............that is ignoring his principles and siding with the remainers!!!!

If he does get in I hope he does stick to his principles and tell all the rest of his party (that are exactly the Labour party I describe) that BREXIT MEANS BREXIT. lol
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Thats already labour party policy.
 
SaintinSerbia said:
Absolutely Archers! my daughter has started volunteering for the Labour Party in Gloucester. She's not doing it for fame and fortune, she's doing it because of the socialist principles learned from her dad and the inspiration of a certain Jeremy Corbyn!
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Comedy Gold. What is the left version of Demagogue if demagogues can only be far right?
 
Archers Road said:
Have you had a drink Imps?
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Nope I have had a really bad cold and then chest infection, struggling to breathe, gasping for air so I am on steroids and yet more antibiotics....hence not really wanting to drink the past month.

In other news, took Channel 4 long enough to get onto the Tulip Sidiq - Bangladesh connection that you lot dismissed months and months ago. At least they got there in the end. And Thornberry's caught up in it too. lol. Great stuff.
 
SaintinSerbia said:
belittling peoples decent principles makes you more of a politician than the politicians you belittle
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Corbyn is a demogogue just the same as Trump is. He says what people want to hear. He says different things to different audiences that contradict each other. The blind mice follow the demagogues words.

But of course he can;t be a demagogue or a populist because he is on the left.

Labour is a party full of self interested wannabe middle class. Same as they accuse the Tories of being.
 
ImpSaint said:
And the BBC that have been peddling their new "fake news advice service" forgets that they hoorahed last month because Trump's pick didn;t win the primary and have been pushing Moore as being "Trump's man."
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Moore was Trump's man. Not his first man, but he threw his weight behind Moore in the special election, which forced the party (which had wanted to distance themselves) to follow suit.
 
Schad said:
Moore was Trump's man. Not his first man, but he threw his weight behind Moore in the special election, which forced the party (which had wanted to distance themselves) to follow suit.
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They spent ages being delighted that "Trump's man" lost in the primary. I would expect him to "throw his weight" behind whoever ended up being the candidate. After all the numbers made it a necessity to do so.

Do you think all these Labour "moderates" are "Corbyn's men" when he campaigns with them at elections? Corbyn certainly wasn't their man until the last election but then "needs must" and all that. BBC have not just been saying Trump got behind him. they were pushing the angle earlier that he was basically a Trump pick and a US commentator had to remind them that he had backed the other chap. It was hilarious as he was stating that the other chap was Trump's man as the headline scrolled along the bottom "Trump's man loses in Alabama" (or words similar. I think it might actually have stated Trump's pick.)

Either way they were making out that he was someone Trump had been backing since the beginning. They do it all the time. Bang on about how bad low inflation is and we need higher inflation, then 6 months later start saying inflation is too high.

They'll be sooo disappointed as all our athletes taking their drugs for asthma or diabetes get caught and their love in ends. After a few years of banging on about Russia while ours just take cough medicines and get away with cheating. Another house of cards coming along there.

BBC does this all the time. Never admits they are wrong either. Worse than the tabloids with their "apologies" hidden away.

And they think they are the ones to provide this "fake news" service?
 
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ImpSaint said:
They spent ages being delighted that "Trump's man" lost in the primary. I would expect him to "throw his weight" behind whoever ended up being the candidate. After all the numbers made it a necessity to do so.
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Almost no other elected official in the Republican Party, including the other Republican Senator from Alabama, threw their weight behind Moore. But Trump's dive into the race forced the party apparatus, which had pulled funding, to starting throwing cash in again, which makes it far harder for them to distance themselves from Moore.
 
ImpSaint said:
They spent ages being delighted that "Trump's man" lost in the primary. I would expect him to "throw his weight" behind whoever ended up being the candidate. After all the numbers made it a necessity to do so.

Do you all these Labour "moderates" are "Corbyn's men" when he campaigns with them at elections? Corbyn certainly wasn't their man until the last election but then "needs must" and all that. BBC have not just been saying Trump got behind him. they were pushing the angle earlier that he was basically a Trump pick and a US commentator had to remind them that he had backed the other chap. It was hilarious as he was stating that the other chap was Trump's man as the headline scrolled along the bottom "Trump's man loses in Alabama" (or words similar. I think it might actually have stated Trump's pick.)

Either way they were making out that he was someone Trump had been backing since the beginning. They do it all the time. Bang on about how bad low inflation is and we need higher inflation, then 6 months later start saying inflation is too high.

They'll be sooo disappointed as all our athletes taking their drugs for asthma or diabetes get caught and their love in ends. After a few years of banging on about Russia while ours just take cough medicines and get away with cheating. Another house of cards coming along there.

BBC does this all the time. Never admits they are wrong either. Worse than the tabloids with their "apologies" hidden away.

And they think they are the ones to provide this "fake news" service?
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Trump flip flops all the time. its what he does. BBC Headline:
Trump says Senate loss proves him right.

Trumps always leaves it so that he can switch sides. Its not the bbc, Its Trump. He's good at manipulating news and leaving ambiguity so that he can either go with it or discredit it as the situation changes. you can bet had Roy won he would be peddling the BBC story that it was his man. Its no coincidence that all this fake news stuff has boomed at the same time as Trump. He no victim of it, he's the master of it.

https://trends.google.co.uk/trends/explore?date=today 5-y&q=Tump,Fake news

edit: i just realised i typo'd Trump as Tump in that search, but it actually makes the graph more clear so i'll leave it as that <laugh>
 
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VocalMinority said:
Trump flip flops all the time. its what he does. BBC Headline:
Trump says Senate loss proves him right.

Trumps always leaves it so that he can switch sides. Its not the bbc, Its Trump. He's good at manipulating news and leaving ambiguity so that he can either go with it or discredit it as the situation changes. you can bet had Roy won he would be peddling the BBC story that it was his man. Its no coincidence that all this fake news stuff has boomed at the same time as Trump. He no victim of it, he's the master of it.

https://trends.google.co.uk/trends/explore?date=today 5-y&q=Tump,Fake news

edit: i just realised i typo'd Trump as Tump in that search, but it actually makes the graph more clear so i'll leave it as that <laugh>
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Fake news has been around a lot longer than Trump became more than just some rich society bloke that people knew the name of but didn't know that much about. The BBC and other outlets have been masters of "shaping" perception for a long long time.
 
ImpSaint said:
Fake news has been around a lot longer than Trump became more than just some rich society bloke that people knew the name of but didn't know that much about. The BBC and other outlets have been masters of "shaping" perception for a long long time.
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Yup, and trump knows that which is why he uses them to shape perception for him. He feeds them the material they need knowing what they will do with it. Simple but effective.
 
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ImpSaint said:
Fake news has been around a lot longer than Trump became more than just some rich society bloke that people knew the name of but didn't know that much about. The BBC and other outlets have been masters of "shaping" perception for a long long time.
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I don't know why you have such a downer on the BBC Imps, but they are one of the most impartial and respected news outlets in the world. The fact that you keep accusing them of being a "fake news outlet" tells me you spend far too long on far right conspiracy theory websites, and in my eyes undermines the credibilty of your opinions.
 
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Archers Road said:
I don't know why you have such a downer on the BBC Imps, but they are one of the most impartial and respected news outlets in the world. The fact that you keep accusing them of being a "fake news outlet" tells me you spend far too long on far right conspiracy theory websites, and in my eyes undermines the credibilty of your opinions.
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whilst i think BBC news is more impartial than most... it most definitely is not as impartial as most people think it is imo
 
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