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...straight out of the Lib Dems election manifesto, and that went well
It's the truth though, isn't it?
I’d be interested to know who does make it. Made up on an hourly basis as far as I can see. I note the cabinet are meeting on 19 December to decide, in general terms, what they want to get from the next phase. Now, I may be naive, but, after 18 months of planning for Brexit I would have thought the government would have an idea what they wanted to achieve already, and would be talking about how they get it, not negotiating amongst themselves.
Despite the complete shambles that this government is, the Labour Party is still only 1% ahead in the opinion polls (well within the margin of error). The only way they will be the next government is if the Tories hand it to them on a plate. Tory supporters are wasting their time having a pop at Corbyn and his fans, they should be focusing on getting their own team to raise its game. Although that looks like a pretty hopeless task.
About as truthful as the Lib Dems 2010 student tuition fees pledge...
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Agree the Tories need to focus on their own game. They're in government not Corbyn, after all. On an issue as divisive as Brexit, dealing with a dominant opponent, it was never going to be practicable for the Cabinet to sit down and agree an exact destination. Brexit was going to roll out in a general direction. Davies wants a Canada +++ which looks desirable and hopefully achievable. In addition to seamless exporting from the Continent, Brussels now have a pot of £40 million to gain from satisfactorily concluded trade talks.
It will be the media that take a good look at Labour, now that it appears to be a prospect for government. There's an increasing spotlight being thrown on Momentum, and it looks ugly, even from a moderate Labour perspective. Moderates are being threatened and cajoled by militants into giving up their seats in favour of Momentum supporters, or swear an oath of allegiance to Corbyn. Meanwhile, anti-semitism is rife. A Momentum supporter was sanctioned just yesterday for putting out an anti-semitic video. Voters have to consider what would happen in the country if Momentum achieved power through a Corbyn victory.
Well said and of course the divorce bill equates per week to what we were told would be spent on the nhs if we even get to provisional trade deals
(impossible to have in place until we have left)
People should go to jail for this
Well we can have our standards and laws back. The facts are stacking up every hour and about time the Union Jack fools admitted to that imo
'Let us into Britain', say refugees freezing after snowfall in Calais
by Dave Sewell in Calais
Published Sun 10 Dec 2017
Issue No. 2584
Refugees struggle to keep warm (Pic: Guy Smallman)
The snow that fell on much of Britain and northern France on Saturday night made conditions worse for refugees trapped at Britain’s border in Calais. Hundreds of refugees are forced to sleep rough.
Sahil, who’s from Afghanistan, has been in Calais for four months. “I can't even have a tent, because whenever one of us gets a tent the police tear it down and beat us,” he told Socialist Worker.
“All I have is a piece of plastic sheeting that I had to keep poking with my umbrella to stop the snow building up.”
Cops carry out nightly raids on refugees’ tents. A number that had been spared caved in under the weight of the snow.
Several refugees spent the night in portable toilets desperate for shelter.
One Eritrean refugee told Socialist Worker, "I couldn't sleep at all for shivering."
Alex had changed his name after fleeing the murders of his family in Pakistan. With this winter, this cold, people are going to die here,” he said. “There isn't much hope."
Charities including Care4Calais do what they can to support the refugees. They had the help of a convoy of aid and volunteers from Stand Up To Racism (SUTR) on on the weekend.
But it's harder to get support now the refugee crisis has faded from the headlines. And the cops undo much of what's done to help refugees.
Hassan is an NHS worker from Manchester who volunteers providing first aid. "I've seen the CRS police stop one of the sub-Saharan refugees and kick him in the stomach for three or four minutes,” he told Socialist Worker.
"The CRS hit people in the head, they fire teargas canisters at them. We've had to take people to hospitals that don't want to treat them, with injuries including basal skull fractures."
Persecution
Britain’s border shame one year after Calais ‘jungle’ demolished
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And for all their persecution by the French state, the refugees' real problem is Britain's border. As Hassan said, "However much we do, the solution won't be here, the solution is political."
Sahil had a direct message for Theresa May.
"You say you support human rights, but you then you don't let us in and you deport people. You say Afghanistan is safe, but my challenge to you is to survive just one week in my village."
Alex added in frustration, "This could be so easy for Britain solve. Germany took in a million refugees, can Britain really not take a few hundred?
"We could be there in an hour—Britain could fit all of us in one village.”
SUTR and Care4Calais's winter appeal made a difference, but a temporary one. The fight for a permanent solution—the fight against a racist government and its racist border—is more urgent than ever.
Sahil urged activists in Britain, “If you want to help refugees, take to the streets, hold protest marches and put pressure on the government."
or you could just stay in france or one of the other countries you have travelled through
apparently its a much nicer fairer country anyway
by Dave Sewell in Calais
Published Sun 10 Dec 2017
Issue No. 2584
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Refugees struggle to keep warm (Pic: Guy Smallman)
The snow that fell on much of Britain and northern France on Saturday night made conditions worse for refugees trapped at Britain’s border in Calais. Hundreds of refugees are forced to sleep rough.
Sahil, who’s from Afghanistan, has been in Calais for four months. “I can't even have a tent, because whenever one of us gets a tent the police tear it down and beat us,” he told Socialist Worker.
“All I have is a piece of plastic sheeting that I had to keep poking with my umbrella to stop the snow building up.”
Cops carry out nightly raids on refugees’ tents. A number that had been spared caved in under the weight of the snow.
Several refugees spent the night in portable toilets desperate for shelter.
One Eritrean refugee told Socialist Worker, "I couldn't sleep at all for shivering."
Alex had changed his name after fleeing the murders of his family in Pakistan. With this winter, this cold, people are going to die here,” he said. “There isn't much hope."
Charities including Care4Calais do what they can to support the refugees. They had the help of a convoy of aid and volunteers from Stand Up To Racism (SUTR) on on the weekend.
But it's harder to get support now the refugee crisis has faded from the headlines. And the cops undo much of what's done to help refugees.
Hassan is an NHS worker from Manchester who volunteers providing first aid. "I've seen the CRS police stop one of the sub-Saharan refugees and kick him in the stomach for three or four minutes,” he told Socialist Worker.
"The CRS hit people in the head, they fire teargas canisters at them. We've had to take people to hospitals that don't want to treat them, with injuries including basal skull fractures."
Persecution
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Britain’s border shame one year after Calais ‘jungle’ demolished
Read More
And for all their persecution by the French state, the refugees' real problem is Britain's border. As Hassan said, "However much we do, the solution won't be here, the solution is political."
Sahil had a direct message for Theresa May.
"You say you support human rights, but you then you don't let us in and you deport people. You say Afghanistan is safe, but my challenge to you is to survive just one week in my village."
Alex added in frustration, "This could be so easy for Britain solve. Germany took in a million refugees, can Britain really not take a few hundred?
"We could be there in an hour—Britain could fit all of us in one village.”
SUTR and Care4Calais's winter appeal made a difference, but a temporary one. The fight for a permanent solution—the fight against a racist government and its racist border—is more urgent than ever.
Sahil urged activists in Britain, “If you want to help refugees, take to the streets, hold protest marches and put pressure on the government."
or you could just stay in france or one of the other countries you have travelled through
apparently its a much nicer fairer country anyway
A mad Islamist blows himself up in a Western city, and a minor celebrity dies young after years of tobacco and alcohol abuse. Just another C21st day then...
Its cold in the UK as well, they should to the middle east where its warmer
its from socialistworker.co.uk/art/45811/Let+us+into+Britain%2C+say+refugees+freezing+after+snowfall+in+Calais…
which side of the brexit fiasco was the socialist worker on
They were for Brexit, as all ‘real’ socialists are, dear things.
They are stuck there because we have a UK border post in Calais turning them away.
Once we leave the EU and "take control" of our borders, this post will move to Dover - and the French can just wave them through and bus them on the ferry themselves.
and can they then be put on the next ferry back to france
or is really that bad a country they cant bear to stay there
or is really that bad a country they cant bear to stay there
They're just try to get away from DT and his rants!
There's a bus full of people driving round Parliament Square shouting "bollocks to Brexit" at everyone walking past
nice to see they finally have their own bus
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nice to see they finally have their own bus
There were a group like this in my local town centre on Saturday.
I had a rather passionate "discussion" with them, as did many other passers by.
Not bad when you think that maybe some of the 52% made their minds up on he basis of another set of bus signage