Off Topic The Politics Thread

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
GoldhawkRoad said:
Yes, agree on NI. All will become clearer as trade talks develop.

A coalition in Germany would be wind to Schulz's sails. As a past president of the European Parliament, he still has influence, and what he is saying is full square with what Junckers has been saying. It all looks as if it's going one way, but there again, not the UK's problem, and we'll deal with the EU in any form they choose for themselves
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The French and the Dutch scuppered this idea in 2005 in referenda (meaning we didn’t need to have one). I have a feeling that the EU superstate might consist of Germany and Luxembourg. And perhaps not Germany if the people get to vote on it.
 
sb_73 said:
The French and the Dutch scuppered this idea in 2005 in referenda (meaning we didn’t need to have one). I have a feeling that the EU superstate might consist of Germany and Luxembourg. And perhaps not Germany if the people get to vote on it.
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Yes, the Scandanavians and the East Europeans are opposed to integration, but if Germany controls the purse strings...? It's an ongoing issue in the EU
 
sb_73 said:
The French and the Dutch scuppered this idea in 2005 in referenda (meaning we didn’t need to have one). I have a feeling that the EU superstate might consist of Germany and Luxembourg. And perhaps not Germany if the people get to vote on it.
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What based on a fact some 12 or more years ago
When has EU history repeated itself ?

When has EU history repeated itself ?

I want a EU membership card if available for the 48%
 
Lawrence Jacoby said:
What based on a fact some 12 or more years ago
When has EU history repeated itself ?

When has EU history repeated itself ?

I want a EU membership card if available for the 48%
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Not sure if the anti EU feeling in many EU countries is actually any stronger than 12 years ago, but it’s certainly better organised and more visible.

I too would like the opportunity to be a dual U.K./EU Citizen and would be prepared to pay for it, but I doubt it will be feasible. Have you been in France long enough to benefit from the citizens rights stuff?
 
sb_73 said:
To change the subject, the Bitcoin bubble continues to expand, briefly touched $20k yesterday, before falling back to over $15k, still a massive rise in a few weeks, and a 1,500% rise this year.

Plenty of historical precedent to show where this will end, though this has now surpassed the tulip bulb bubble (seriously) of the 1630s as the biggest ever, just a matter of time before it bursts. I hope it’s soon, some private investors will suffer (some will also get very rich if they get out at the right time) and a lot of dodgy characters will suffer, without too much damage to the real economy. Hackers are apparently ‘stealing’ these fantasy chunks of value all the time, as I took great joy in pointing out to an expensive and very stupid management consultant I had the misfortune to be working with yesterday who got very moist about using the ‘block chain’ technology on which Bitcoin is built in health care.

No sympathy from me, greed never learns.
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Now what have I told you before about hanging about with Management Consultants?
 
sb_73 said:
Not sure if the anti EU feeling in many EU countries is actually any stronger than 12 years ago, but it’s certainly better organised and more visible.

I too would like the opportunity to be a dual U.K./EU Citizen and would be prepared to pay for it, but I doubt it will be feasible. Have you been in France long enough to benefit from the citizens rights stuff?
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No idea must be close plus had houses here since 89
Friends have a business so will ask them
Up and downs each day with the news anyway
Friend I told you about in an email works inside the EU said all things will be considered re UK cards once the UK get's itself in order ... His comment was the EU will not ignore the 48% who wanted to remain. It's also possibly a very big money spinner. EU passports visas

Fall back plan is to go for the full Frenchie: partner is fluent and i am getting there. She is prepared to sell up her houses in London and so that will do us.

I shall return just to shoplift and catch the Rangers
 
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sb_73 said:
Yep, hooray. Now let’s get on with it, we have spent far too much time bickering about this crap both with the EU and amongst ourselves. I suspect there will be a lot of discussion about what the word ‘alignment’ means. No actual agreement on the border, but a fallback in place.

15 pages of agreement. I’ll try and read it later, it’s actually quite an important historical document. £ up a bit.
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Seems traders have had second thoughts, the pound is down a bit now.
 
Stroller said:
This is interesting...........

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Wow!
That is interesting.
I think that must be the first time in my lifetime that I can remember a poll indicating that the majority of people in Northern Ireland would vote for a united Ireland.
This is huge surely?
 
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rangercol said:
Wow!
That is interesting.
I think that must be the first time in my lifetime that I can remember a poll indicating that the majority of people in Northern Ireland would vote for a united Ireland.
This is huge surely?
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It’s very closely aligned to the nature of the border though and in the context of a ‘hard’ Brexit. It would be interesting to see a similar poll with the question being ‘if the agreement outlined today goes through smoothly, how would you vote on a United Ireland?’. I’d guess there would be a large ‘not at the moment thanks’ majority, which there is (even amongst Catholics) if the question is asked ignoring Brexit.

Interesting though and shows how important the issue is to people.

Varadkar has said that a border poll would require more than a simple majority on both sides of the border to change the status quo. It’s easy to forget that it’s not just about those in the North wanting to join, but also those in the Republic wanting them in.
 
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While I’m not vindictive or naive enough to say that today’s clashes in cities and towns in Israel and Palestine are entirely Trump’s fault, he didn’t make people go on to the streets to protest that was their choice, I wonder if he thinks his little political charade about the location of the US embassy was worth the deaths and injuries it has led to, and whether it has made him ponder the power of the presidency at all.

I doubt it. Genuinely sadly.
 
rangercol said:
Wow!
That is interesting.
I think that must be the first time in my lifetime that I can remember a poll indicating that the majority of people in Northern Ireland would vote for a united Ireland.
This is huge surely?
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As Stan pointed out, the poll is linked to the Brexit border issue, but still highly significant, I would say. I think Brexit brings a united Ireland closer.
 
Given that anyone born in Northern Ireland can choose between British nationality, Irish nationality or dual nationality, I’d say they have more choice than most of us already. Good for them, I’m rather jealous.

I don’t expect to see this resolved in my lifetime (unless Brexit goes badly wrong, either politically or economically) but as long as it stays peaceful that’s enough.
 
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