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Much as I respect what did for us, which is likely never to be repeated at City or anywhere else, I don't think there is a case to be made for him being a greater player than Raich Carter. Or Waggy or Chillo and others.

I do, they played for us in the second division. Just look at how good Abel looks at that level and then how he performs in the top flight, for example.

Anyway this really isn't the point of the discussion and I don't want to be vilified for 'deliberately highjacking' it.
 
I do, they played for us in the second division. Just look at how good Abel looks at that level and then how he performs in the top flight, for example.

Anyway this really isn't the point of the discussion and I don't want to be vilified for 'deliberately highjacking' it.

Stop deliberately hijacking this discussion :mad: ;)

Ashbee was great without being great