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Throw in the sale of Coutinho and it won't be an awful window for FSG. Just another six years of this and we MAY get an extra tier on the Anny Rd End.
You're just making up 'facts' to suit your argument though.
There wasn't a current PL club who had a wages to turnover ratio of 80% in their last audited accounts, and this was up to the end of the 15/16 season and BEFORE the incremental £50m TV cash landed from the new deal.
Man City had a ratio of 51%, United had a ratio of 45% - 2 of the biggest wages bills in the league....
You also can't just say that clubs will somehow ignore the STCC rules, as they can't. Over the course of the current TV deal clubs can increase their wage bills by £7m a season, which equates to a total maximum increase of £42m over the 3 year period. The incremental TV revenue equates to circa £150m over that period.
You've been suckered by Levy's seeming prudence, when the reality is that he's trying to excuse their inactivity in the market as they're shovelling dosh into the new stadium. The money in the game is obscene, but there's safeguards that ensure clubs can't piss it all away on wages, it's a simple fact mate.
BTW, how do you 'Agree terms' with a player without the club's permission to speak to them? Does Ford's agent have clairvoyant powers?
Pedro Chirivella has today completed a season-long loan move to Willem II, Liverpool FC can confirm.
The 20-year-old midfielder will spend the 2017-18 campaign with the Eredivisie club after sealing a temporary switch from the Reds.
Chirivella scored twice in 17 appearances in the Dutch top flight last season having joined Go Ahead Eagles on loan in January.
The 20-year-old midfielder will spend the 2017-18 campaign with the Eredivisie club after sealing a temporary switch from the Reds.
Chirivella scored twice in 17 appearances in the Dutch top flight last season having joined Go Ahead Eagles on loan in January.
ok fair enough.... I must have dreamed the fact that this ratio has been climbing over the past 5 years then..
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jun/01/premier-league-finances-club-by-club
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ue-finances-club-by-club-breakdown-david-conn
maybe you are right though... maybe i just rounded villa's up to 80% from 79% then.... or stokes (79%) or sunderland at 78% or swansea's at 83% or west brom at 73%
maybe i dreamed LFCs climbing from 56% in 2015 to 69% in 2016.... must have dreamed that too.
do you get me?
You can quote teams with massive revenues like utd or massive paper revenues that city make up with sponsorship deals. I can quote mid ranking clubs who are seriously running a risk there (and i hope have relegation clauses all over thier contracts with players and staff)
the TRENDS are turnover is going up... grand you are absolutely correct. Utd are about the only club going who's revenues have risen faster than their waages expenditure. they are obviously a special case
Everton:
Accounts for the year to May 31 2016
Turnover £122m (11th highest in the league)
Wages £84m (10th joint highest, 69% of turnover)
Loss before tax £24m
Accounts for the year to 31 May 2015
Turnover 8th highest in League £126m, up from £121m in 2014
Income Gate and match-day income £18m; TV and broadcasting £82m; Sponsorship, advertising, merchandise £10m; Commercial £16m
Wage bill 10th highest in League £78m, up from £69m in 2014
Wages as proportion of turnover 62%
• Loss before tax £4m,
You see the point...... You have just sunk in how many new players? and are paying how much more? I hope you are keeping it in check.
Note the turnover above looks largely to be league position..... the wages rise by 6million in the year and your turnover to wage ration rises
How about LFC...
you should know these you had a laugh about these.
Wages £208m (3rd highest, 69% of turnover)
Wage bill 5th highest in League £166m, up from £144m in 2014
Look at that MASSIVE change
........................
So i apologise for saying 80% when only one club is above is and another 4/5 are within a few percent of it. Tarnishing all the well run clubs (i referred to even)
I don't see how i am falling for levy when i've been saying it for far longer than this and used him to highlight that not only me thinks it.
You will note the wages for 7mil increase to a maximum of 42 in 3 years is basically well broken by LFC and we will much higher this season.. are we getting punished? 208mil in wages... money flowing out of my club. I think i am right to be worried.
If LFC carry on increasing like this we will we in a very undesirable position. So.... its a bubble imo and the issue is bad clubs (like us it seems) will hurt the rest when it goes tits up.
I think half the prem is at risk. I don't know what long term sunderland will do as it stands today. I hope they are balancing those books based on proper contracts slashing wages.
Swansea is scary as **** frankly.
ok fair enough.... I must have dreamed the fact that this ratio has been climbing over the past 5 years then..
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jun/01/premier-league-finances-club-by-club
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ue-finances-club-by-club-breakdown-david-conn
maybe you are right though... maybe i just rounded villa's up to 80% from 79% then.... or stokes (79%) or sunderland at 78% or swansea's at 83% or west brom at 73%
maybe i dreamed LFCs climbing from 56% in 2015 to 69% in 2016.... must have dreamed that too.
do you get me?
You can quote teams with massive revenues like utd or massive paper revenues that city make up with sponsorship deals. I can quote mid ranking clubs who are seriously running a risk there (and i hope have relegation clauses all over thier contracts with players and staff)
the TRENDS are turnover is going up... grand you are absolutely correct. Utd are about the only club going who's revenues have risen faster than their waages expenditure. they are obviously a special case
Everton:
Accounts for the year to May 31 2016
Turnover £122m (11th highest in the league)
Wages £84m (10th joint highest, 69% of turnover)
Loss before tax £24m
Accounts for the year to 31 May 2015
Turnover 8th highest in League £126m, up from £121m in 2014
Income Gate and match-day income £18m; TV and broadcasting £82m; Sponsorship, advertising, merchandise £10m; Commercial £16m
Wage bill 10th highest in League £78m, up from £69m in 2014
Wages as proportion of turnover 62%
• Loss before tax £4m,
You see the point...... You have just sunk in how many new players? and are paying how much more? I hope you are keeping it in check.
Note the turnover above looks largely to be league position..... the wages rise by 6million in the year and your turnover to wage ration rises
How about LFC...
you should know these you had a laugh about these.
Wages £208m (3rd highest, 69% of turnover)
Wage bill 5th highest in League £166m, up from £144m in 2014
Look at that MASSIVE change
........................
So i apologise for saying 80% when only one club is above is and another 4/5 are within a few percent of it. Tarnishing all the well run clubs (i referred to even)
I don't see how i am falling for levy when i've been saying it for far longer than this and used him to highlight that not only me thinks it.
You will note the wages for 7mil increase to a maximum of 42 in 3 years is basically well broken by LFC and we will much higher this season.. are we getting punished? 208mil in wages... money flowing out of my club. I think i am right to be worried.
If LFC carry on increasing like this we will we in a very undesirable position. So.... its a bubble imo and the issue is bad clubs (like us it seems) will hurt the rest when it goes tits up.
I think half the prem is at risk. I don't know what long term sunderland will do as it stands today. I hope they are balancing those books based on proper contracts slashing wages.
Swansea is scary as **** frankly.
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its a bubble.... LFC are ****ed.
Everton are loss making but throwing money about so must be fine
Utd are great.
Man Utd have the biggest debt in the history of football
People act like that's fine because they have large revenues, but even with those the debt is still growing 10% per year
It's mostly in $ too so when Brexit kicks in they fold
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Barcelona are chatting **** and not even transfer journos are falling for it
yes but they are still great ok.. just don't argue. I don't give a **** really about them anyway. you two can argue the merits of utd if you want.
I don't disagree with a thing tobes is saying about the rules but he is not acknowledging the signals out there I am seeing in clubs numbers. Our numbers on wages are flying up. I'm seeing 70mil + players coming and associated wages. I'm seeing bumper deals for our "performers" like coutinho, lallana and next can.
As i said a soft landing isn't very likely. Interestingly..... certain leagues have had tv in effect collapse on them like in Scotland and that had ramifications through the league. When rangers went down to tax the deal was not as attractive.
Another example I can think of is the scenario is spain... The big clubs had it sweet for a long time and its still sweet compared to here. If the TV money goes down what do you think the top clubs will do? SQUEEZE the bottom ones and what happens to the 5 mid table clubs i identified then.
It would be a crisis as the prem is based on majority rule but if the top 6 clubs walked out of talks what would happen...... think about it... doomsday scenario.
If utd etc wanted their money to stay the same then the small clubs need to get less and oh oh. 79% turnover to wages... hmmmm.... 83%..... oh ****.
This is just one scenario.. not even talking brexit etc.
You must have missed the bit where I said current PL teams like, as Villa and Sunderland aren't...ok fair enough.... I must have dreamed the fact that this ratio has been climbing over the past 5 years then..
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jun/01/premier-league-finances-club-by-club
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ue-finances-club-by-club-breakdown-david-conn
maybe you are right though... maybe i just rounded villa's up to 80% from 79% then.... or stokes (79%) or sunderland at 78% or swansea's at 83% or west brom at 73%
maybe i dreamed LFCs climbing from 56% in 2015 to 69% in 2016.... must have dreamed that too.
do you get me?
You can quote teams with massive revenues like utd or massive paper revenues that city make up with sponsorship deals. I can quote mid ranking clubs who are seriously running a risk there (and i hope have relegation clauses all over thier contracts with players and staff)
the TRENDS are turnover is going up... grand you are absolutely correct. Utd are about the only club going who's revenues have risen faster than their waages expenditure. they are obviously a special case
Everton:
Accounts for the year to May 31 2016
Turnover £122m (11th highest in the league)
Wages £84m (10th joint highest, 69% of turnover)
Loss before tax £24m
Accounts for the year to 31 May 2015
Turnover 8th highest in League £126m, up from £121m in 2014
Income Gate and match-day income £18m; TV and broadcasting £82m; Sponsorship, advertising, merchandise £10m; Commercial £16m
Wage bill 10th highest in League £78m, up from £69m in 2014
Wages as proportion of turnover 62%
• Loss before tax £4m,
You see the point...... You have just sunk in how many new players? and are paying how much more? I hope you are keeping it in check.
Note the turnover above looks largely to be league position..... the wages rise by 6million in the year and your turnover to wage ration rises
How about LFC...
you should know these you had a laugh about these.
Wages £208m (3rd highest, 69% of turnover)
Wage bill 5th highest in League £166m, up from £144m in 2014
Look at that MASSIVE change
........................
So i apologise for saying 80% when only one club is above is and another 4/5 are within a few percent of it. Tarnishing all the well run clubs (i referred to even)
I don't see how i am falling for levy when i've been saying it for far longer than this and used him to highlight that not only me thinks it.
You will note the wages for 7mil increase to a maximum of 42 in 3 years is basically well broken by LFC and we will much higher this season.. are we getting punished? 208mil in wages... money flowing out of my club. I think i am right to be worried.
If LFC carry on increasing like this we will we in a very undesirable position. So.... its a bubble imo and the issue is bad clubs (like us it seems) will hurt the rest when it goes tits up.
I think half the prem is at risk. I don't know what long term sunderland will do as it stands today. I hope they are balancing those books based on proper contracts slashing wages.
Swansea is scary as **** frankly.
You must have also missed the bit where I said those accounts were BEFORE the incremental £50m TV revenue hit the bank
You also missed the bit about the rules of STCC which say that if you're going to increase your wage bill by beyond £7m then you have to prove that the additional cost is covered by non TV revenue I.e. Additional commercial income, gate receipts and player trading.
Everton made a PBIT profit in 2015 btw, so I'd check your numbers mate.
Football is a basket case business but your summation of the current risk to clubs actual existence is both overblown and inaccurate.
Why have LFC not said a dicky bird about it? I hope you are right, but Ford looks like a slapped arse, he scores a worldie then acts like a player scoring against an ex club, and Jurgen and the club DON'T say a thing about the reports of the last four days. Hypocritical as it is, we could at least report them - this is three times in seven years now, with Masch, Luis and Ford. It won't stop Ford agitating for a transfer if he really wants, but, as with Soton did to us, it'll make them back off until he is forced to show his hand.