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Areas are divided, some very close results last night up and down the country. Saw it first hand here in Canterbury where over 55,000 votes cast and only a couple of hundred in the final result.

I see in Southampton 31 votes were enough to see the Tories hold on. I heard also of a spoilt paper in London that had hashtag Wenger out on the paper.

Surely a similar thing could not have happened in Southampton, a number of [HASHTAG]#puelout[/HASHTAG] spoilt papers.

That lot on saintsweb are too young to vote! Right?
 
things will be changing in this country, even though they people like tesa may are trying franticly 2 shut it down(information) but what im seeing is the internet is helping people make theyre own minds up on whats right and whats wrong morally in this world and the youngsters are all over it>>>>>>please please help keep our freedoms of information and knowledge on the internet intact and not let them close off our information sources on the grounds of terrorism.

knowledge is key for our futures so don't let them take that away from us or the future generations who will get born into a world as free men and women and hopefully will die still a free and open soul

I would like to point you in the direction of aaron Swartz...the internets own boy..........big thumbs up 2 snowden assange Chelsea manning corbyn david icke Bernie sanders and mother nature for bringing us the marijuana plant.:emoticon-0126-nerd:

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Schad said:
My god, no one tell the Republican Party in the US about these guys, they'll want NI as the 51st state.
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They are ****s. May jumping into bed with them is going to piss a lot of people off.
 
ChilcoSaint said:
Doesn't bode well for getting power sharing back in Northern Ireland either.
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****ing Hell. That Sinn Féin statement.

Not even a thinly veiled threat. Paraphrasing, but you read between the lines and it sounds like "We want to go back to power sharing, but the Tories and DUP getting into bed with each other makes it more likely we'll return to The Troubles".

May willing to **** up Ireland to get a majority is disgusting
 
Beefy said:
****ing Hell. That Sinn Féin statement.

Not even a thinly veiled threat. Paraphrasing, but you read between the lines and it sounds like "We want to go back to power sharing, but the Tories and DUP getting into bed with each other makes it more likely we'll return to The Troubles".

May willing to **** up Ireland to get a majority is disgusting
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Hang on Beefy, that's unfair. It's Sinn Fein who have made that statement not May. She's just looking to secure her position and find a government.. She didn't know that Sinn Fein would say that and now they have, should she be weak and change her mind due to a threat?

She'd be slaughtered for being weak if she did that. Another U-turn. She's done enough of them.

She's shown herself to be very poor this last few weeks and had a **** campaign, but let's not just sling mud for the sake of it.

It's a very delicate situation over there already at the moment and that is not due to a decision made now.
 
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fatletiss said:
Hang on Beefy, that's unfair. It's Sinn Fein who have made that statement not May. She's just looking to secure her position and find a government.. She didn't know that Sinn Fein would say that and now they have, should she be weak and change her mind due to a threat?

She'd be slaughtered for being weak if she did that. Another U-turn. She's done enough of them.

She's shown herself to be very poor this last few weeks and had a **** campaign, but let's not just sling mud for the sake of it.

It's a very delicate situation over there already at the moment and that is not due to a decision made now.
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Look what I posted about DUP, she shouldn't be siding with them anyways. She also knew would know damn well how Sinn Fein would react, it's pretty obvious they would be pissed off.

Both are disgusting parties and to try to form a coalition with either is disgusting.
 
Beefy said:
Look what I posted about DUP, she shouldn't be siding with them anyways. She also knew would know damn well how Sinn Fein would react, it's pretty obvious they would be pissed off.

Both are disgusting parties and to try to form a coalition with either is disgusting.
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What other options does she have though? She has to form a government and the Lib Dems and SNP aren't interested. I'm not happy about it but she literally had no alternative.
 
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tomw24 said:
What other options does she have though? She has to form a government and the Lib Dems and SNP aren't interested. I'm not happy about it but she literally had no alternative.
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Her own minster in Scotland is lesbian,wonder how she feels? There comes a point were you have to think that siding with a party as bad as the DUP isn't a good thing. Take the minority party and then go for another election in a few months etc. She is done anyways.
 
Seriously look at this ****:

Brexit and the Irish border
The DUP campaigned for Brexit but its manifesto argued for maintaining a “seamless and frictionless” border with Ireland. Objectives for the forthcoming Brexit negotiations included maintaining the Common Travel Area with the Republic and ease of trade throughout the EU.

Welfare spending
The manifesto retained the pensions “triple lock” and universal winter fuel allowance, both policies the Tories pledged to drop.

Opposition to same-sex marriage
While the party has changed radically since its beginnings, it has always maintained an opposition to socially liberal reforms which have taken place on the UK mainland.

Northern Ireland is the only remaining part of the UK where same-sex marriage is not legal after the DUP used a controversial veto mechanism to block any change to legislation. Senior figures in the party have called the issue a “red line” for power-sharing talks at Stormont.

Anti-abortion
The DUP has fought hard to halt an extension of abortion rights to Northern Ireland. Campaigners say their actions have forced thousands of women to travel elsewhere for terminations, or to rely on abortion pills bought online.

Climate denial
While climate change scepticism is not official party “policy”, the DUP has previously appointed a denier as environment minister in Northern Ireland, and it counts a number of creationists among its senior members.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...licies-you-should-know-about?CMP=share_btn_tw

This is just their policies!

They also don't believe in evolution either. They are the UK GOP
 
Beefy said:
Seriously look at this ****:

Brexit and the Irish border
The DUP campaigned for Brexit but its manifesto argued for maintaining a “seamless and frictionless” border with Ireland. Objectives for the forthcoming Brexit negotiations included maintaining the Common Travel Area with the Republic and ease of trade throughout the EU.

Welfare spending
The manifesto retained the pensions “triple lock” and universal winter fuel allowance, both policies the Tories pledged to drop.

Opposition to same-sex marriage
While the party has changed radically since its beginnings, it has always maintained an opposition to socially liberal reforms which have taken place on the UK mainland.

Northern Ireland is the only remaining part of the UK where same-sex marriage is not legal after the DUP used a controversial veto mechanism to block any change to legislation. Senior figures in the party have called the issue a “red line” for power-sharing talks at Stormont.

Anti-abortion
The DUP has fought hard to halt an extension of abortion rights to Northern Ireland. Campaigners say their actions have forced thousands of women to travel elsewhere for terminations, or to rely on abortion pills bought online.

Climate denial
While climate change scepticism is not official party “policy”, the DUP has previously appointed a denier as environment minister in Northern Ireland, and it counts a number of creationists among its senior members.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...licies-you-should-know-about?CMP=share_btn_tw
This is just their policies!
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I'm not denying that their policies are ****ed up, but May had to form a government. No one in their right mind would go for a minority government and another election in a few months in May's position if there was another option. Another election would play right into Corbyn's hands which I would like as I want May out. But she was never going down that route.
 
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tomw24 said:
I'm not denying that their policies are ****ed up, but May had to form a government. No one in their right mind would go for a minority government and another election in a few months in May's position if there was another option. Another election would play right into Corbyn's hands which I would like as I want May out. But she was never going down that route.
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She is gone, she is only delaying it. Boris is already starting his speeches hinting at fighting for Tory leader as we write.


Boris Johnson

I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe, and always will be. There will still be intense and intensifying European cooperation and partnership in a huge number of fields: the arts, the sciences, the universities, and on improving the environment. EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU.

British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI – the BDI – has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market. Britain is and always will be a great European power, offering top-table opinions and giving leadership on everything from foreign policy to defence to counter-terrorism and intelligence-sharing – all the things we need to do together to make our world safer.

Yep there you go
 
Beefy said:
She is gone, she is only delaying it. Boris is already starting his speeches hinting at fighting for Tory leader as we write.


Boris Johnson

I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe, and always will be. There will still be intense and intensifying European cooperation and partnership in a huge number of fields: the arts, the sciences, the universities, and on improving the environment. EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU.

British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI – the BDI – has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market. Britain is and always will be a great European power, offering top-table opinions and giving leadership on everything from foreign policy to defence to counter-terrorism and intelligence-sharing – all the things we need to do together to make our world safer.

Yep there you go
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Now he's speaking again like the pro-EU bloke he was. He's a bumbling buffoon though.
 
Beefy said:
She is gone, she is only delaying it. Boris is already starting his speeches hinting at fighting for Tory leader as we write.


Boris Johnson

I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe, and always will be. There will still be intense and intensifying European cooperation and partnership in a huge number of fields: the arts, the sciences, the universities, and on improving the environment. EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU.

British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI – the BDI – has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market. Britain is and always will be a great European power, offering top-table opinions and giving leadership on everything from foreign policy to defence to counter-terrorism and intelligence-sharing – all the things we need to do together to make our world safer.

Yep there you go
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Now he's speaking again like the pro-EU bloke he was. He's still a bumbling buffoon though.
 
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Look, May has to make a genuine attempt to govern. A government is required to pass a Queen's Speech. That means she has to get some sort of agreement to pass it. Plus a budget at some point. This isn't going to be a formal coalition, it's a loose, almost day by day agreement between two parties that come from a vaguely similar area on the political spectrum. There might be single issues where May has to come to agreements with the other parties. Are there any examples of areas where the DUP are actually going to be able to affect what May does?

It's also not just that Theresa May has no alternative. Given the way parliament is made up this is the only viable way of running the country without having another election. The numbers simply aren't there for a Labour + SNP + Lib Dem + Whoever alliance and I don't think most people want yet another election just yet.

Agree that May will probably go before too long. I'm not quite sure how long it'll take or exactly how it'll happen though.
 
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